December 7th

Discussion in 'History' started by Orleander, Nov 30, 2007.

  1. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    so, does anyone do anything special? I put on my pin (it was my grandpa's) and that's about it. I just feel like I should do more, but....I don't.

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  3. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.
    I honestly don't see why.
     
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  5. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Because growing up, my brother's Little League coach was at Pearl Harbor. It meant something then and it still does.
     
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  7. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    By that logic, Kevin Bacon could be connected to Pearl Harbor, so we should remember it.
    Why is the day special?
     
  8. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    What? I just asked if anyone else did anything. I didn't demand that you do something and if you didn't then you are bad. :bugeye:
     
  9. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    I'm just curious why you think it's especially important, why you feel that wearing a button isn't enough.

    No offense meant by the Kevin Bacon bit.

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  10. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Its special to me because someone we know and respect survived it. And I'm from a military family. And I know it meant something to my grandpa. It was their 9/11 and I know how I felt on that day.
    I just feel while there are survivors still alive, we should show some appreciation.
     
  11. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Ah. Perhaps you could have a moment of silence before dinner, or if you have time you could volunteer at a veteran's center?
     
  12. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I had a WW2 friend that recently died. We would get together and raise the

    American flag in the front of his house on Dec 7 for many years. We would

    salute it then salute each other for we are both veterans just of different

    wars.I'm going to miss him this year and I don't have a flag but will still

    salute him and the first flag I see. It will be a day of remembering the times

    he and I had together talking about "his" war mostly.
     
  13. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    When you are doing a moment of silence...sit and wonder why U.S Command decided to line up the battleships like targets for several weeks.

    Japan - planning pearl, for weeks:

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  15. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Why? What purpose would it serve?
     
  16. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Excerpt of memo from Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum of the Office of Naval Intelligence, submitted to Navy Captains Walter Anderson and Dudley Knox. The October 7, 1940 memo contained an 8-part plan to counter rising Japanese hegemony over East Asia, and a pre-Pearl Harbor estimation of the Pacific situation. The memo remained classified until 1994.(Freedom of information act)


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  17. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    And? What purpose does it serve to look for plots and conspiracies? To get angry at dead people?
     
  18. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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    I just couldn't resist, but he actually can be (to the movie Pearl Harbor at least).
    1. Pearl Harbor stars Kate Beckinsale
    2. Kate Beckinsale was in the movie Click with Sean Astin
    3. Sean Astin was in the movie White Water Summer with Kevin Bacon
     
  19. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    To honour the victims, and people like your grandpa. Finding out when governments lie to their own people and trick them, is always important. If they get away with it once, they might do it twice(911). Now they will do it as much as they like. You live in a police state.
     
  20. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Then why not get pissed at the Japanese as well.

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    I think I'd rather do something to honour them that doesn't involve anger.
     
  21. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Good for you.
    I still call 'em Japs.

    Anyway Japan was military state and acted like one. America got itself in WWII - fought military states bent on world domination...only to win and become one.

    "He who fights with monsters for too long, risks himself becoming a monster".
     
  22. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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    I kinda always thought Hiroshima and Nagasaki were pretty good indicators of how pissed we were at the Japanese at the time.
     
  23. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    at the time, yes.
    It serves no purpose now. I don't want to show my appreciation and respect with anger.
    I think we'll be going to the VFW that night. I know they are holding a ceremony at the exact time the attack started, but I don't think we will be able to make it.
     

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