Dawkins Choice: Abuse and Religion

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by S.A.M., Apr 18, 2008.

?

Dawkins Choice: what is your opinion?

  1. Treat religion like abuse

    38.1%
  2. Treat abuse like religion

    4.8%
  3. Some other opinion

    57.1%
  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    72,824
    Dawkins quotes (approvingly) in his book a speech by Nicholas Humphrey:


    "We should no more allow parents to teach their children to believe, for example, in the literal truth of the Bible or that planets rule their lives, than we should allow parents to knock their children's teeth out."

    So what do people who share Dawkins "consciousness raising" believe?

    1. Should we treat child abuse as we treat religion and allow people the right to physically abuse their own children? Or,

    2. should we treat religion the way we treat child abuse, and take children away from parents who attempt to raise their children in a religious setting?
     
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    11,529
    I don't quite understand how you can relate the two. Should we treat a scientific environment like abuse? :shrug:
     
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    19,125
    HAHAHAHA!

    Another stupid Dawkins thread. Wow! He must really have an effect on you, Sam.

    Yet, you won't go to his website and engage him or anyone else there.

    Again, HAHAHAHAHA!
     
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    72,824
    Its an question that I address to those who subscribe to Dawkins philosophy. I'm interested to know what their notions are on the matter.

    Please vote.
    I recall that you vehemently support the "religion is child abuse" argument.

    What is your choice from the poll options?
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2008
  8. shichimenshyo Caught in the machine Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,110
    I voted neither.

    For the most part Dawkins is the kind of atheist that makes the rest of us look bad.
     
  9. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,760
    Stack mob mentality on top of humanistic ideals and ..Presto!
    You've got homicidal/suicidal lemmings.

    US public education is a joke considering we're throwing record amounts of money at it every year and can't turn out kids that can read.

    How's that for evidence? proof is in the pudding.
     
  10. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,877
    I think Dawkins knows there is no chance of changing how people raise their children, and the methods that would be required to do it would not be good for anyone. Ideally, this is a value that parents should adopt voluntarily. He's not a politician, he's a scientist. As usual, religious people cannot interpret statements in anything but a literal manner. What one may theorize should happen ideally, becomes the rule one must impose. That is exactly how Jesus' statements became misinterpreted.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    72,824
    Let me reiterate:

    "We should no more allow parents to teach their children to believe, for example, in the literal truth of the Bible or that planets rule their lives, than we should allow parents to knock their children's teeth out."
    So he does not really mean that religious people should not be allowed to bring up children in their religion?

    That if given the chance he would not advocate it?
     
  12. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,760
    :wtf:.

    Are you not aware that homeschooling has been in the crosshairs of the educated left for..well, ever?

    California just deemed it illegal. These lonely sadists will not stop until everyone on earth is as miserable and guilt ridden as they are.
     
  13. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,877
    My brother was homeschooled by an "educated left" mother. She also happens to have a teaching degree. The concern was that kids get a real education. It's not illegal in California.
     
  14. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,877
    I advocate it too, but advocating it isn't the same as imposing it. It's hyperbole.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    72,824
    Advocacy precedes change in any direction.

    So what is your position? Do you believe that if it were possible, children should be removed from the custody of parents who want to bring them up in their religion?
     
  16. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,760
    Due to appeals court,,, again.
     
  17. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,877
    Not at all. Having a flawed parent is better than no parent, but I know what Dawkins is saying. Mental abuse takes all different forms, making kids grow up in bleak uninspiring suburban conditions, being raised by strangers while both parents have to work, going to an overcrowded school where they teach to the test, having to live on crappy processed fatty sugary food... There are many, many aspects of our society that "shouldn't be allowed", but it's impossible to enforce anything like that.
     
  18. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,877
    You don't understand the law. It will always be possible to be homeschooled, as long as the schooling meets certain minimum standards. The thing that is no longer allowed is being homeschooled by someone without the credentials to teach.
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    72,824
    Its only impossible until there are enough athiests in power.

    Haven't you heard of re-education camps?
     
  20. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,877
    I wouldn't dream of taking away the opium of the masses, they could get violent in the name of God.


    hy·per·bo·le [hahy-pur-buh-lee]–noun Rhetoric.
    1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
    2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”
     
  21. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,515
    Dawkins really puts you in estrus, eh, Sam.
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    72,824
    The re-education camps are not a hyperbole. In fact, they were instituted for re-educating believers away from religion, among other such noble motives.

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  23. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,877
    You mean like how religions are allowed, even encouraged to "reform" criminals in prisons all over the USA? Naw, we don't want to adopt the techniques of the enemy.
     

Share This Page