Discussion in 'World Events' started by Buffalo Roam, Nov 5, 2009.
So why do you hate the people of Texas and love people named Hassan?
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First off, this entire thread degenerated into stupidity too quickly. I was half tempted to suspend every account who engaged in it.
Second off, Buffalo Roam has been suspended for 30 days for flaming and goading.
Third off, this is getting really old, cleaning up after people who cannot stay on topic. Here's an idea: ignore the people who are acting like asses, report the offending posts and stay on topic. It makes our job easier.
Fourth off, consider ALL OF YOURSELVES warned. Any flaming, goading and/or off topic posting will result, in at the very least, a one day suspension. I won't even issue a friendly warning. Don't like having the freedom to post? Go ahead, give it a shot.
(1) I don't live online, you know? I have primary job which consumes 40-50 hours of my life per week and a second job which consumes between 10-15 hours per week.
(2) I also have a life, outside the website. I go to the gym, out to eat, I sleep, eat, shit, shower, go to bars, have sex, watch TV and read all sorts of books. Expecting an immediate response is. . . well, it's a little silly.
So...can someone explain what happened. I'm still unaware. I know a black man at my university was screaming about 'injustice' regarding the incident.
The biggest justice, in this particular case, is all the dead bodies caused by one disgruntled human being.
I'm a fan of the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125745253140431689.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories
Or, if you prefer McNews sources, there's CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html
Then there's the bellwether, the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/us/06forthood.html?_r=1&hp
The shooter is alive, http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html?update
He came remarkably close to Charles Whitman's count of fourteen killed and 32 wounded. Hey, Psycho Killer by the Talking Heads is playing right now!
Here he is:
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An Army psychiatrist who opened fire at Fort Hood, Texas, killing 12 people and wounding 31 others, was shot but captured alive, military officials said late Thursday.
The gunman, identified as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, was wounded at the scene but was captured alive and was in stable condition, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone, commanding general of the Army’s III Corps, said at a press conference late Thursday.
Eleven of the victims died at the scene, military officials said. A 12th died later at a hospital, NBC station KCEN-TV of Waco reported. Cone said that most of those who were shot were military but two were civilians.
Cone also said that a female officer who was thought to be the first responder shot Hasan and was herself wounded and had undergone surgery at a hospital. It was not clear if the officer was a military policewoman or a civilian officer.
Col. Ben Danner said the suspect was shot at least four times. "I would say his death is not imminent," Cone said, adding that Hasan was in custody at a hospital.
It initially was reported that Hasan had been killed at the scene. But Cone said at the press conference that Hasan had been in custody since the incident occurred, and there was no explanation of the earlier report.
Poor performance evaluation
U.S. officials said Hasan was an Army psychiatrist, NBC News reported. Defense officials said Hasan, 39, arrived at Fort Hood in July after practicing for six years at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, which included a fellowship in disaster and preventive psychiatry.
At Walter Reed, Hasan received a poor performance evaluation, according to an official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.
There was no official word on motive. But Hasan was scheduled to be deployed overseas on Nov. 28, officials said. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said military officials had told her that Hasan was “pretty upset” about his deployment, which she said was to be to Iraq.
Maj. Nidal Malik Hassan was described as ‘upset’ about his pending deployment to Iraq.
The Associated Press, quoting federal law enforcement officials, said Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats. The officials said they were still trying to confirm that he was the author.
Medical records on file in Virginia, where Hasan was born and was registered to practice, and Maryland, where he received his medical degree at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, revealed no disciplinary actions or formal complaints.
Two handguns used
Cone said the gunman used two handguns. He said that military officials believed that there was a single shooter.
Two other soldiers were taken into custody after the shooting, but Rep. John Carter, R-Texas, said they were released.
A senior administration official told NBC News that the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.
Military and local hospital officials said the victims were a mixture of men and women, military and civilian. At least four local SWAT officers were among those wounded, KCEN reported.
‘They shot me!’
Among the wounded was Pfc. Keara Bono, 21, of Independence, Mo., who was shot in the shoulder. She called her mother, Peggy McCarty, to let her know she would be OK.
Bono, who works with soldiers dealing with stress, arrived in Fort Hood only Wednesday from her previous posting in Topeka, Kan., NBC station KSN-TV of Wichita, Kan., reported. Her brother, Dustin, told the Kansas City Star that Bono was “mad more than anything.”
“They shot me! And I’m still here in this country!” Dustin Bono quoted his sister as saying.
Noting the Arabic nature of the gunman’s name, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington interest group, condemned “this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law.”
”No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence,” the council said in a statement. “The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured.”
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So did I miss where someone jumped to use this tragedy to advance their political ideas or is that still -- and most certainly -- to come?
LOL. It came with a bang and left with a bang.
Typical. As soon as I logged on I took mental bets who would be treating it as such. Pathetic.
Muslims cannot be trusted even in the military!
What was a psychiatrist doing with a gun?
When will the US ban all guns in the hands of those who don't need them?
I think it is just a human nature that Jews do not want Jews to die, Christians do not want Christians to die and...........it goes like this .
Once there was an earth quake in China and I said to a church minister who lives in my building : I heard that lots of Chinese died in a horrible earth quake from TV. He replied ......." those people know no god......etc " . I knew him for many years but I never knew he was that blind when it comes to humanity . Damn.....a person is a person regardless to their religious beliefs .
Religion will disappear one day but people are here to stay .
All this just one day after five british army soldiers are gunned down by an Afghan policeman they had been training. Brown is going to have a difficult time convincing the British people that its best to keep their troops in Afghanistan. Hopefully it would be for the best. They can leave it to the US to sort em out if they can on their own. What happened yesterday in the US is going to bring a lot of resentment and I doubt muslims in the military will be trusted whether or not they are born in the country or not.
Its a lame excuse that is being given, that he simply didn't want to go to Iraq, there are many guys who don't want to go to Iraq and there are some who would rather go to jail than go to Iraq. To kill 13 people and harm 30 something others is in my mind a terrorist attack that they are simply unwilling to name as such in fear of alarming others. So we paint him as yo yo nut job who was stressed and just didn't like war (hehe nevermind the fact that he joined the US armyPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!).
All he has done is make life more difficult for muslims all over the US especially those in the armed forces.
Well done to the wanker!
I hope you are right, Mike.
Well internment comes to mind when I read about things like this. As bad as that sounds sometimes it is the best option.
I don't think its religion that defines these kinds of events or even ethnicity. Its the war and who is considered the enemy du jour. During the second world war Japanese american citizens were interned because of fear and distrust over their allegiance. This just isn't good for Muslims as it will create and justify suspicion.
Well this is not the first time we has seen this kind of thing in the Army. And unfortunately this will probably not be the last time we see such things. However, I was bit suprised to learn it was a commissioned medical officer who had just been promoted commit the crimes. It is really chilling when you think about it.
Whomever banned this guy, kudoos to you.
you guys do realize he was originally from Jerusalem...
He was about to be on his what, fourth deployment? into a hostile zone? I wouldve shot myself in the face on number 2.
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