Darwinist's Dilemma (Are I.D. Biologists Legit?)

I like to be precise in my terminology.:bugeye:

 

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No kidding :spank:

 

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No, them's the rules superlum.

 

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Fine.

 

Just fine.

 

Huh?

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He's pissed 'cause he can't say that a process tells itself what to do.

 

Not very precise there young lady. Do you have a question or concern about my last post?

 

Perhaps because I have no idea what you actually mean?:grumble:

 

How can a process "tell" itself anything? Are you anthropomorphizing? Shame on you. Be more precise.

 

Let me be clear. If we cannot occasionally use terms, that we all agree help clarify a situation or concept, by anthropomorphization or other means, knowing full well for example, that a process is not a thinking entity, then we will have disposed of a valuable means of moving a discussion forward.

 

Sure, but if you don't mean a goal, why say a goal? Doesn't that obscure the point you are making?

Be nice.:thankyou:

 

Yes, a goal is hardly random.

 

Maybe. But why does a "goal" have to imply purposeful thought? A goal is simply a way of establishing an endpoint of a process. The goal of breathing is to keep you alive. It's automatic. And no one is confused by the terminology. If I say the goal of the gene is to replicate into the indefinite future, I mean no directed or thought out purpose. I'm just establishing a point on a process curve. See?

How would you phrase the concept of the "behavior" of genetic replication?

 

Exactly. Just as evolution by natural selection is hardly random.

 

Why would a gene have "behaviour" ? Why would it "want" to survive?

 

What is natural selection, supe?

 

Atoms have behavior. Photons have behavior. Behavior is just a set of movements/actions that a thing makes, conscious or not. DNA has a distinct replicating behavior. Is there some dispute as to the definition of the word "behavior"?

 

And you believe this behaviour is because...?

 

It is the differential survival of genes that happen to code for protiens that contribute to the successful creation of organisms that successfully deliver those genes into the indefinite future in a given complex environment including temperature, radiation, and other, competing genes. Genes that diminish that success will be selected against by the simple expedient of degrading the performance of the host organism.

How's that?

Remember, the buffet of mutations offered up for selection is random, the process of selection ofr which mutations survive is not. It is driven directly by the environment in which replicators exist. That's the reason that so many similar "solutions" to survival have evolved so many times over billions of years.