Danish Cartoons: Inciting Hatred or Freedom of Speech

Discussion in 'Politics' started by DiamondHearts, Feb 19, 2006.

  1. yank God Registered Senior Member

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    well please don't use the word 'minority'... you know it irritates me to the bottom! Being an Indian I know how muslims in india use this word to their advantage everytime & anytime... they have all the freedom here & they are always wanting for more... we're supposed to be a democratic country & muslims still have a seperate law board for them... what more are you asking for??? do you want the other countries to suffer the same fate as Malaysia??? multiplying so fast so that you ultimately become the majority and take over the country???
     
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  3. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Well, it's true that in any islamic-majority country human rights invariably suffer.

    Geoff
     
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  5. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    Tell me where this has anything to do with India?

    The Muslims in India is an entirely different topic, I suggest you do some research into Gujarat Massacre and Kashmiri genocide.

    We are discussing the affect of degrading and insulting other religions, and how it makes oppressed minorities like Muslims more hated and suseptible to violent abuse form common people.

    Minorities should be respected wherever they are, and be free from the threat of harm of other people. In Islamic countries it is unlawful to encourage violence against other minorities. The west should learn from this noble law.

    Mayalsia converted to Islam like Indonesia and there were Sultanates in that country since the 12th century. They accepted Islam of their own will.

    Mr. Yank, if you are truly Indian you would not encourage these people for violence against minorities because many of the people killed in violence and abuse included Indians particularly Sikhs.

    Yank, tum hindustan mey konse jagga seh ho?

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  7. yank God Registered Senior Member

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    well for your kind information I reside in india & i possess a better understanding of the situation here rather than you who stays in a country who's always wanting to spread terror in Kashmir!
    besides if we ever wanted to degrade the muslims here, we wouldn't even be allowing you to offer your prayers on loud speakers late at night & early morning... which is very disturbing to one & all... does the UK allow this??? NO... but we do... bcos we respect other religions unlike you... and we treate every muslim fellow as our brother! period
     
  8. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    In the West, it's unlawful to encourage violence against any group, minority or majority. Encouraging violence is called incitement (a related idea is hate speech.)
     
  9. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    You really are an asshole for stating that we are all common. Muslims are people and are no better than anyone else.

    Look internally at your own religion in regards to oppression before you look to external forces. You'll find the hatred, violence and abuse need not external forces.

    Muslims should first practice what they preach.

    Or die.
     
  10. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Haahahahahhaahhaa
    ROTFFLMAO

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    Tell that to the Muslim turned Xian from Afghanistan!!

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  11. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    No Micheal that's different he should be killed remember Diamond already explained that.

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  12. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I just don't get it? Is Diamond living in a complete fantasy land? Sciforums: what Sistani thinks about gay people... it just goes on and on.....
     
  13. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Or the Sufi genocide of native Indians during their invasion.

    "Common" people? As in: lesser people?

    That is nonsense - it is perfectly legal to discriminate against non-muslims in islamic nations, and to interfere with the expression of their religion, as evidenced by the Pakistani convert case.

    At least your comment here carries the implicit admission that conversion was not always of free will elsewhere. The Middle East, Turkey, Spain and North Africa spring immediately to mind, not to mention Iran.

    Geoff
     
  14. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    speaking of oppressed minorities this from the BBC today

    Clashes broke out between Muslims and Coptic Christians in Alexandria in Egypt after the funeral of a Coptic worshipper killed in church on Friday.

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    Does this sort of thing and the long list of violent attacks on christian minorities I posted earlier, happen to muslims in the west Diamond?
     
  15. milkweed Valued Senior Member

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    It is Islamic tenants which prohibit the portrail of images of Muhammed. If a person is not muslim they have no requirement to follow Islamic doctrine in most of the world including the Danish press. It is Islamic intolerance which propels these incidents to the points of violence which flood our news each day. I do not have to respect Islamic idealisms, nor do I have to practice any of them. What I do have to do is tolerate them.

    I do not have to inhibit my words about how I perceive Islam and muslims have to tolerate that. Islam and muslims do not have a right to NOT be offended. What right they do have is to practice their religion the way they perceive it should be practiced, as long as it does not inhibit the practice of other religions, or even no religion. I cannot attack physically the person who practices a different religion. I cannot suggest others partake in violence against an opposing/different practice. I cannot spray paint a mosque/temple/church or burn it down. There are many legitimate laws that protect the religious from the religious. These same laws protect muslims equally with all the other religions that are practiced in various countries around the world. There are no special rights granted to muslims that protect them from people saying mean things about Islam or Muhammed.

    These cartoons do not violate any of the protected rights of the religious no matter what their seperate doctines dictate.
     
  16. yank God Registered Senior Member

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    well said milkweed!
     
  17. jax0509 The non-believer Registered Senior Member

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    cartoons take the piss out of christians as well but they dont go off rioting do they
     
  18. yank God Registered Senior Member

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    no one does except fur muslims who always need a reason to fight!
     
  19. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe then you can explain the Gujurat massacre of 2001 in India. Why were 3000 innocent Muslims killed under government knowledge with little done?

    Why do you people think Pakistan was formed, it was formed to protect the rights of Muslims of India from Hindu violence?

    If there is being terror spread in Kashmir, then why not end this by recognizing a UN plebiscite of Kashmir? Why have all the leaders of India been against this?

    On the Issue of Plebescite your first president Nehru said: “Kashmir would vote to join Pakistan and we would lose it. No Indian government responsible for agreeing to a plebiscite would survive."

    Pakistan is a free nation, and will remain so. and Kahmiris deserve their right to chose themsleves who they want to be part of, Pakistan or India. Glory tot he brave Kashmiri people. Zindabad Kashmir.

    Good, then why isn't this put into practice.


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    You people need to understand the primary motive and outcome of such racist, bigoted portrayals of others results in violence against minorities.

    The reason muslims are against these cartoons can be summed up in a number of points:

    1)increases hatered and attacks on Muslims

    2)makes it easier for the governments to pass anti-muslim laws due to spreading of bigotry

    3)mocks and ridicules the Holy Prophet Muhammad (s), which Muslims are commanded to respect and revere greater than their parents, teachers, and anyone else in the world

    4)is a cultural attack on Muslims which view their culture being suppressed and mocked in West

    When Muslims in Islamic world see this public insulting of Muslims, they ofcourse are enraged, especially after hearing from their families of all the abuse cases against Muslims.

    Also, the only ones who will not accept that Muslims have suffered widespread abuse in the West are those guilty of spreading this and those who support this.

    The racists in this thread will be shown as clear as an untainted glass. All of whom jump at the chance to insult Muslims any way they can.

    Peace.
     
  20. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    Translation:
    Agree with me or you are racist (evidence be damned)
    No questions asked or answered.
    Just out of curiosity what race are muslims Diamond?

    Diamond go back to your hole you have no interest or desire to honestly discuss anything.
     
  21. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    Are you denying that these cartoons were racist portrayals?

    Anyone who denies the facts that Muslims (and anyone who looks like Muslim) are being abused in America are doing this because they either support this or they are the one's abusing Muslims.

    Yes, majority of the people who are currently insulting Islam are doing this because they are racists. I have said many times that for many of you people, your insults and deception is from racism.

    People who argue with Islam on an intellectual level are quite obvious, you people are mostly racists.

    Your avatar is racist, your posts on Islam are racist. People like you are the first to jump on Muslims or anyone who says anyhting good about Muslims because you are lead by your racism and superiority complexes.

    Your avatar is evidence alone to show that you lack any credibility in discussing anything related to Islam.

    You would love it if I just left right, so you could say as many fallacies as you wanted and then have no one criticize you and present proof against you.

    If you believe you have some decent knowledge of Islam, then respond and I'll ask you a question only those knowledgeable on islam would know. If you fail, then accept to not post anything on islam again.

    Peace.
     
  22. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    yes, i am denying that the danish cartoons are racist in nature
    have you ever heard of anarchy diamondhearts?

    and about SPP avatar, i do not believe he is a racist
    but i do believe he is a jester, maybe even an anarchist
     
  23. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    Absolutely. they were nothing of the sort again define how they were racist. You know what a race defines don't you??

    A Bald faced LIE. I provided you with stats and a few examples of minority treatment in muslim countries you (not suprisingly) ignored them.

    Bullocks see above

    You have no clue.

    Nope, muslims are just like everybody else they are good and bad. I have a problem with much of islamic doctrine and the behaviour it envokes, an example is your bigotry.

    You wish

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    Nope check my history see how many anti islamic threads I have initiated the only reason I post so much where you post is because you spread so much disinformation which I can't in good conscience let go unanswered.

    I and many others have answered you regarding islamic doctrine, using islamic sources. You simply ignore what you can't deal with or give your personal opinion.

    Piece
     

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