Crystal Cave

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by Orleander, Oct 12, 2008.

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  1. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Are they inside a massive geode? I suppose I'll find out tonight when Natl Geographic airs it.

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    And do they wear the masks to breathe or for contamination purposes? I don't know what kind of masks they are.

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  5. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    The Earth is a crystal that grows.
     
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  7. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Later, one of the workers, with the intention of stealing crystals, managed to get in through a narrow hole. He tried to take some plastic bags filled with fresh air inside, but the strategy didn't work. He lost consciousness and later was found thoroughly baked.

    Incredibly dumb.

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    Why was he thoroughly baked though? I know temps were around 136 F when they formed in water, but the water is all gone now. Is it still that hot there?
     
  8. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    No it isn't, or did you miss the part where there's been no significant change in Earths moment of inertia for at least 620 million years?
     
  9. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    Crystals don't grow?
     
  10. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Moderator

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    Only by taking material from other things. A crystal in a saturated liquid grows only by taking material from the liquid. The total mass stays the same.

    Yet another thing you don't understand about physics and chemistry. How can you be so clueless?
     
  11. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    Isn't that how all things grow? Or can things grow another way?

    See Trippy? AlphaNumeric says they grow too.

    So when something grows, it's mass stays the same?
     
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  12. EntropyAlwaysWins TANSTAAFL. Registered Senior Member

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    The total mass of the crystal + liquid, the earth is clearly not immersed in a liquid; or are you going to claim that as well?
     
  13. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    Wow. Now I've heard it all. For your information, 70% of the Earth's surface is immersed in liquid.

    However, as far as growth is concerned, something need not be immersed in liquid in order to grow. The universe isn't immersed in liquid, but presumably you believe that grows. Stars grow and they are not immersed in liquid. Every planet in the universe without subduction is growing, which even according to PT is every planet in the universe except the Earth.
     
  14. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    That's not what I said.

    I said that there has been no change in the earths moment of inertia in the last 620 million years, something that must happen if its radius is changing as you claim it is.
     
  15. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    Do crystals grow? Yes or no?

    Irrelevant to crystals growing. But how do you know that?
     
  16. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Moderator

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    I doubt Trippy is claiming crystals cannot grow. You are putting words in his mouth. Quote a specific post of his where he says "Crystals cannot grow". Precisely that and not something you interpret to mean that.
    Completely failed to understand what I said. The mass of the object growing and the liquid it is getting its raw material from remain the same.

    You can buy children's chemical kits which are saturated copper sulphate solutions and a tiny crystal of copper sulphate. You hang, on a string, the crystal within the solution and over the course of a week or so it grows larger, because the copper sulphate in the solution crystallises onto the crystal. The total mass of the contain of liquid and crystal doesn't magically change.
    They are immersed in a haze of dust, which behaves like a liquid.
    Despite being told that isn't what mainstream physics says, you continue to repeat that lie.

    Must be so depressing having to lie all the time. How sad your life must be to be so desperate or so stupid.
     
  17. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    Asking someone a question is not putting words in their mouth.
     
  18. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Irrelevant.

    You're being incredibly disingenius here (and dishonest at the same time).

    If you grow a crystal in a closed system, then the total mas sof that system remains constant.

    The only thing that changes is the state of whatever the crystal's made out of.

    It's really that simple - there is no net change of mass.

    Even with those massive crystals in the picture in the initial post. If you measure up the total mass of the matrix that the void is part of, and the mass of the water (a good two or three oceans worth for crystals that size) the total mass remains constant.

    The precipitation of silica from an aqueous solution is not the 'mass from nothing' magick that you have claimed that 'controlled fusion' and 'cold fusion' must be responsible for.

    We're talking high school chemistry here, apparently a level of chemistry education you have yet to attain.
     
  19. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Not in the sens you're obviously trying to imply.
     
  20. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    I said yes or no. No implication. By "not" I take it that you believe crystals do not grow.
     
  21. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    I've already posted a link to that information elsewhere, and quoted someone repeatedly.

    "Runcorn [1964, 1966] showed how paleotidal and paleorotational data can be used to explore whether Earth’s moment of inertia has changed over geological time. Such analysis also can examine whether Earth’s radius has increased significantly with time, as required by the hypothesis of Earth expansion, because Earth’s moment of inertia would increase with secular increase in radius." George E Williams, 1999.

    "The late Neoproterozoic rhythmite data do not support significant change in Earth’s moment of inertia and radius over the past 620 Myr." - George E Williams, 1999.

    Not to mention the list of citations I presented you that dealt with paleo-rotational and paleo-tidal data.
     
  22. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Then you're lying and you know it.

    i've already agreed that crystals grow - just not in a way that magically adds mass to the earth - which is the way you're trying to imply.
     
  23. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    You weren't asking me a question, you were implying a falsehood - that I don't think that crystals can grow, therefore putting wordsin my mouth.
     
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