Crop Circles and Other Lies

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  1. Lifemare Registered Member

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    Hi everyone!

    It's my first post and i might not be posting anything for some time, so i would just like to leave you with some thoughts...
    Maybe i should be posting this message on the aliens section

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    but the thing is i've just read one of Lori's msgs (thanks

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    ) and i couldn't agree more with what she said about "Alien Worshipping"

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    ...whatever that means! Besides, my own opinion is that everything depends or tends to become dependent on religion (if you understand religion has a simple step ahead of Faith) so...
    Anyway, i've just been reading the most acefalous of things about crop circles, and i just couldn't stop thinking about how very folcloric and naive it all sounded! And if you just stop to think doesn't all this mania about UFO's kind of takes you to those millions of myths that time never quite got an hand on (because all across the centuries there have always been enough inocent and confined-to-their-own-head people to prolong the madness)!
    Say for instantes: vampyres or all those pagan remains that led us to invent saints just to make us feel safer than with an all-mighty all-punishing God (an also a very busy one, too busy to be disturbed by someone who has a tiny problem and is afraid to look selfish at His eyes...

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    And when you start thinking about that isn't it obvious that we only believe in aliens because we need to fill in the gaps? of course it is!!! SO WHY ARE THERE SO MANY OF US STILL INSISTING ON NOT LETTING GO????

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    ahhh... Can anyone tell me how much is it for a lousy room in the MIR?

    By the way... if you care to know... i definitly belief that crop circles are nothing but remarkable works of past civilizations. It is prooved that shaman cultures belief in hidden powers within animals and that by releasing and controlling those powers it will become possible for them to performe miraculous cures aswell inner inlightment and so many other different tasks. A theory that explains the existance and function of Crop Circles in places where it is historically known to exist or have existed such cultures says that those megalomanous forms would have been created as holy ground to the development of religious rituals. Hipothetically speaking, the shamman would walk along the crop circle lines (that extend by miles) in an attempt to assume the shape and spirit of the animal!! The theory is much more complex and very well fundamented, estabilishing paralels between shammanic civilizations and explaining the symbolic significance of each of the animals drawed in the plains, but it would take a book to tell you all about it...
    Anyway, isn't it hummilianting to be so unaware of our roots (as humans)? So unaware that we come to find our selves believing in the most simple of fairy tales!! Wouldn't you hate as i do someone that wastes his time and money in building up a ridicullous web page just prove to everyone that it is possible to be stupid?!?

    Speaking of time and money... gotta go!
    have fun!

    Lifemare
     
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  3. Oxygen One Hissy Kitty Registered Senior Member

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    So the Crop Circles are the work of past civilizations? Damn! That wheat is OLD!
     
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  5. ISDAMan Thank You Jesus! Registered Senior Member

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    You know what? I just find it interesting that crop circles have not become a phenomenon until right around the space age. I know that there are rumored stories about crop circle prior to the space age. It’s just that, to the best of my knowledge, the only documented crop circles started after the space age. I find this interesting being that I have a history of working in the government and thinking with a government mindset. I look at crop circles as an answer to a serious logistical problem. If, at any time, you have a vehicle in the air that you want to communicate with, you cannot communicate with that vehicle without also potentially communicating with other undesirables. What is needed is a secure method of communication that no one but the intended parties can understand. If you know your history, this will bring to mind the Navaho Code Talkers. No one else, except the Navaho, knew the language. This language was one dimensional in that is was a spoken language only. Many words were purposefully scrambled and many were newly created. No one ever cracked the code. I see real similarities in the crop circle phenomenon. The fact is that, right around the time of the first recorded crop circles, the United States was changing from a policy where in there were few secrets of national security to a policy of increasing matters of national security. You might not know it but, it use to be common for a brand new airplane, even during development, to be paraded around for all to see. We use to think that if others knew what we had, they wouldn’t want to mess with us. Well, other countries were not as forthright. We, wanting to know what they had, needed to make use of spying methods. Methods of doing this by air were just now coming to any real fruition. Now, here’s the dilemma. How do we send a message to an aircrew that can only be interpreted by the intended recipient? Well, like the Navaho Talkers, it’s best to invent a language from an existing one. The language I speak of is geometry. Keep in mind that a reconnaissance mission will generally follow a set pattern of zigzags across a target zone. Now, if, at an appointed point along the path of the target zone, the aircrew was to see a circle, they would immediately get the message to continue to an alternate flight plan. They would not regard any other shape that had not been previously defined prior to the onset of the mission. As time has advanced, the message may now be more than just the shape but also the measurements of the shape. These measurements might contain valuable info that can be quickly deciphered by an image-scanning computer. The beauty is that if the computer or crew is captured somehow, the meaning of the shapes will be of little use. The language is disposable. What a circle meant yesterday is not what it means today. In the olden days, it’s likely that people went out in the middle of the night and made these things. Now, with satellites, it’s not a far stretch to invision a focused energy device that can be used to disrupt the molecular structure of the crops in some way causing them to flex under gravity and air pressure. It’s interesting that, in the beginning, this was all a pretty local thing to England. Well, guess what? England was and is a perfectly friendly place to pass such messages. On top of that, all of the people we like to spy on are just past England. It’s a logistical dream come true. You can pass a message in a language that will have no meaning tomorrow. Others that come in contact with it won’t recognize it for being what it is. It’s non-persistent and will self-destruct in a few days at most. You don’t have to break radio silence. It’s only with the increase in our technology that crop circles have become more elaborate and more accessible to more areas of the world. It seems to point to a man made source. The capabilities of the production of these circles seem to be keeping pace with our technology. I’m sure this is more a matter of Big Brother than Unknown Brother.

    Praise God for the Good things He has done,
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  7. Lifemare Registered Member

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    hmmm...
    maybe i should of been more specific Oxygen... I'm not a specialist on Crop Circles! And the theory i was talking about on my first post (wich is not mine) was focused on a specific location in Peru. Even though it went along giving examples of other such sites, the theory itself evolved from the reserch of a single place... so i shouldn't have generalized that much... i'm not saying every single crop circle is a work of art from the past, i'm just saying you shouldn't swallow the first theory you hear!!!
    Besides, i do believe in extraterrestrial live and i do believe in intelligent live from above but i find it very hard to believe that we could some day come to meet a human man from behond, dressing up like my father and knowing the same things we do! Do you believe that Space Exploration is looking for intelligent life or is it looking for human life???? What makes us belief that theres any one out there, racional or irracional listening at Radio waves??? hell!!! look around you... is it man's intellingence that makes us so different from animals or is it our stupidity??? Should there be anything else besides spleeping and eating? If all we ever wish to attain is happiness why do we keep pursuing the way of sorrow that drift us apart from our nature? anyway... this is pure utopia filling me with questions... nevermind!

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  8. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    This is a very interesting point. Having observed the day to day habits of our pet dogs, tortoises and the local feral cats, these thoughts also pass through my head from time to time.
    I guess the difference is that our intelligence and our physical limitations create far more complex needs in us, that have to be satisfied in ways that are infinitely different than animals.
    Besides that, all animals are naturally wild (disregard the animals that man has domesticated for his own benefit, for now) and are ruled by the law of the jungle and survival .
    This means that most animals spend their whole life struggling for food and in constant fear of attack by other animals, while being at the mercy of the weather and disease.
    The animal world is not such a utopia really, if you think about it!
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  9. Lori Registered Senior Member

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    I just had to pop in here and say I LOVE that sig of yours Lifemare! Hey, I think I've had that same lifemare myself! LOL!

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  10. Dude Registered Senior Member

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    Lifemare,

    Its man's nature to be curious and to make life easier for himself. So tada! technoligy. What would you do if you were dropped into one of the worlds great rain forest naked with no supplies? You would make yourself clothes, build a shelter, make a bed, make your self some sort of hutting device. You see it is man's nature to do such things.
     
  11. Lifemare Registered Member

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    I sort of going for the long walk Dude. I did not refer to human nature thinking about stuff like gu-gu da-da, it was more like prehistorical nature of man, prior to the discovery of the wheel or even fire! ...speaking of wich... isn't fire the most destructive thing we ever came across trough the ages?

    Anyway... I got a few words for you ISDAman

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    : I'm not a very good fan of conspiracy theories, even though i almost velieve in some of them ...Big Brother is almost a fact to me... but it's a bit affected to say that crop circles are an instrument of the government just because their existence was only proved during the space age! it is a bit obvious to me that something as big as New York could only be well documented if seen by a sattelite better than by a low altitude plain. don´t you agree? it's a good theory anyway, but i find it a bit hard to swallow... and this is only my opinion... thanks for yours!
     
  12. Lifemare Registered Member

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    Tabblariddim,

    i tottally agree with you! Being an animal is as difficult as being a man. And i wasn't trying to say: "Hey! Fuck the existence of the human soul! Fuck the need for a refrigerator!!! Fuck the government!!! Let's all go live in the jungle!!!" What i do think is that man, compared to the Darwin egxample of the first step of evolution is weaker than it was, his body is less functional that it was, and all that assured our natural survival among beasts is going down the same drain... So, if you consider this, isn't it a good utopia to try and keep a little bit of the jungle within ourselves? or else... we might end up like those aliens in Independence Day... that needed 2 tons of protective suit on top of them to see the day light...lol! talk about worst case scenario!
    One other thing i didn't quite explain aswell as i would like was that issue about extra-planetary research for "human" life...
    i mean... look around the world: and try to see how many civilizations are completely equal... we can't even understand our neighbours when we are so tightly in touch with each other (why do japanese people eat dog and rat food and believe in Buda, why do portuguese people eat rabbitt and and why are all the germans so damn blonde????) ... imagine trying to understand an hypotheticall life that as never received any influences from us!?! Isn't this day dreaming??? ...i love to dream to, i just try not follow every absurditty that my subconscious dictates!
    Anyway... keep it up... i would love to be wrong!!!
     
  13. Lori Registered Senior Member

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    Lifemare,

    Man I like you a lot. You cuss.

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    Whew, refreshing!

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  15. Tony H2o Registered Senior Member

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    Lori,

    Watch out TAB's trying to impress you.

    And about the cussing thing that lots of us Christians get bent outta shape about. Personally words don't shock me, meanings behind and inference does. You or anyone else saying S*** is not much different than me saying "stuff". However I must also say that I prefer not to because I know some people have a real hassle with it. Its like when Jesus spoke about the "mouth speaking what the heart is full of" or saying "racca" to your brother. He was not necessarily saying don't swear He was saying watch the intentions of your heart towards others and how you express them.

    Now how in the heck did I get here????

    I was thinking something completly different and now I lost it.

    Oh well.... Later.

    Cheesy grin time......

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  16. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Tony,
    Perhaps you are under the influence as well???????? LMAO!!!!! Can you share what you are under the influence of as well?

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  17. Tony H2o Registered Senior Member

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    Yup...Hick..Hick...Yup..Yup...Hick...Hick

    Seriously its all to serious sometimes, I'm high on LIFE, I'm happy in God. I know sounds lame but its true.

    We get pretty heavy here sometimes and its good to just kick back, relax, poke fun at ourselves and each other in a friendly way so that we remember that no matter what our differences are we all have the same colour blood........Green.

    Take care, and catch you all tomorrow.

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  18. Lifemare Registered Member

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    hey!!!

    of all the things i've been posting for the past days i was expecting everything except to see my cussing become an issue of discussion!
    Thanks for all the compliments Lori but i'm not sure if i can handle them!?!

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    I just get carried away by the things i say and when i notice it i'm already waving my fists in the air and spitting things out with more conviction than a Uzi!
    Anyway... i'm as addicted to "meanings" as you Tony... maybe even more! That's probably why i find it so hard to read anything besides poetry... i mean it!!! But this is not a poetry message board and you have to be careful on the clearness of all things you say if you want to be understood... And i'm sorry to say i'm not high on life, if i have to be high on anything i guess i'm high on death... i shouldn't have brought this to the conversation (not only is it too depressing it's also too damn deep in me to be brought out without anestesia) but i guess i'll have to explain myself better, won't i?
    oh well... let's get personal!
    Don't you ever get the feeling that all that keep's you going is te fact that you know you can die at any point of your life... all the people i know that are high on life end up agreeing with me on this, after i pushed them hard into them selves. Because deep down they know they are high on life just because they're so desperate to live, desperate to forget about endings and about anything else that can distract them from live!
    hey... forget it! This is going nowere! Sorry to have brought it up!

    Keep smiling!
    Lifemerry
     
  19. Boris Senior Member Registered Senior Member

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    Hey Lifemare,

    I can sympathize. I've thought more about death than is probably healthy by any measure. And ultimately, I find only two reasons to keep going. One: there's always time to quit later. Two: life, us, the universe -- the whole thing! -- just DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE! And it's the damndest thing, but it's what I like the most about it all. The sheer lack of any logic in the very fact that we exist. The all-important, self-involved grandeur of our little lives, playing out its laughable drama of meaningless minutiae juxtaposed against the ageless background of the infinite cosmos. Sometimes, when I'm drunk, just one thought about the sheer nonsense of everything makes me giggle in public...

    I guess it's all about how much more there must be to it all than any of us can ever realize or fit into our puny one-way, one-track skulls.

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  20. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    Boris,
    don't you find it fun, even just trying to imagine the possibilities?
    Do you always completely dismiss the metaphysical?

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  21. Lori Registered Senior Member

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    Tab,

    A resounding YES, HE DOES!!!!! ALWAYS. It's almost like it's his religion or something.

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  22. Boris Senior Member Registered Senior Member

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    Lori,

    How would you like to me my personal spokeswoman from now on?

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    Tab,

    Pondering the possibilities is precisely what makes it so much fun. But it's even more fun to consider that the real truth is probably beyond anything we can even imagine pondering at this time.

    There are several major reasons I so "religiously" dismiss the supernatural:
    • no objective repeatable measurement has ever demanded a supernatural conjecture to be explained.
    • I have a real problem with the dissociation between "material" and "immaterial" -- especially when the latter can still be observed through our "material" sensory apparati, and is supposed to be able to interact with the material while at the same time possessing none of matter's properties (just through what mechanism are these interactions conducted?)
    • As a student of the brain, computer science, information processing, and psychology, I am convinced that the human psyche is entirely material. Despite the burgeoning research in these areas, not one human or animal functionality had surfaced that was not critically associated with a specific physical section of the body, or that could seem to be in principle inexplicable in terms of pure matter.
    • The entire realm of the "paranormal" is way too anthropocentric and anthropomorphic. It possesses all the tell-tale signs of having originated in human imagination.
    • I really do think that we are still too underdeveloped and too ignorant to even begin to brush the truth. You wouldn't want to ask a newborn for insights to life's mysteries, would you? But both our species and our civilization (<u>especially our civilizaion</u>) are newborns. So, I don't look to the past "wisdom" for answers -- only for mistakes and lessons learned from them.

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  23. Tony H2o Registered Senior Member

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    Wow I think the high on life comment triggered some pretty deep discussion.

    So does anyone want to go down this road here or should I post it up as a new topic and copy in some of your previous comments?
    Because basically the life thing has nix to do with circles in the grass.

    Aww stuff it I'll just do it......

    See yall there

    Cheesy Grinner time:

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    Tony H2o

    Started to but bailed out to much like hard work....



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