Creationist questions evolution

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Jan Ardena, Nov 10, 2018.

  1. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    I posted remarks like the following to this or some similar Thread.

    There are two interesting sets of related fossils (among others) which strongly support evolution.​

    Eohippus to modern horse

    Early primates to modern man.​

    The above could be called facts of evolution, requiring an alternative & better explanation to refute the current Darwinian explanation.

    Such an explanation could be called the creationist explanation of those facts.​

    I do not remember anyone posting a plausible alternative to the explanation based on Darwinian evolution.
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well yes. We know what the answer is, because: evolution.
    Jan's answer will be different.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, they prefer to question the origin of the "flagella", but Behe doesn't ever admit total scientific defeat of this ID concept.
     
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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    A snake with legs it does not use is intelligent?
    Alex
     
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  8. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Neither are you.

    Jan.
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    According to Behe, it is intelligently designed. IMO, it is poorly designed, even by minimum quality standards...

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  10. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Alas, it was figurative.
    I believe it was a creature known as pakicetus, etc.

    Jan
     
  11. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    This thread, although in my name, is not mine, as I don’t question evolution. Plus I am not a creationist in the commonly used way.

    Jan.
     
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  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well acknowledging the existence of the ancestor of both dogs and whales is certainly a step in the right direction.

    So, what are you saying? That pakicetus and a dog are not different species? You don't expect them to interbreed do you?
     
  13. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I don’t expect them to, no.
    Do you?

    Jan.
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Er, OK. There are a number of posts that directly contradict that first claim.

    Which of these Jans would you have us believe?
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    OK, so we have a modern dog and a modern whale. And we have the creature that is the common ancestor of them.
    Yet you say you doubt the occurrence of a pakicetus' descendants evolving into dogs.
    This appears pretty contradictory.
    And it also appears to contradict your more recent claim that you don't question evolution.
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Whichever one he needs to be in the moment to win an Internet argument.

    But don't worry. If you prefer a different Jan - wait ten minutes.
     
  17. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I’ve no idea what you’re talking about.
    Where have I questioned “evolution?

    Jan.
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Literally, just on the previous page:

    (I've altered your quote to give you the benefit of having retracted your figurative example.)

    But the contentions themselves still stand out though - that you question massive changes.
     
  19. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    That is pure speculation, and religious wishful thinking, unless you can show that it actually happened, as opposed to just saying it happened.

    Jan.
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Which has been done - from the earliest of evolutionary theorizing, the great bulk of Darwin's writing and Wallace's paper and all the rest, that has been exhaustively addressed and with rock solid results.
    Of course you are - at least, on a science forum. You are a stereotypical creationist here - you have posted every single bogus misconception of Darwinian theory from it's 'random' to 'it cannot create new information', every single typical ignorance of macro vs micro and kinds turning into other kinds and so forth, and so forth.
    And in addition, you have used all that stereotypical creationist crapola not for discussion but as a pretext for disparaging reasoning from evidence and those who reason from evidence, science and scientists, personally.
    Which is also stereotypical creationist behavior on science forums.
     
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  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I'm giving as much benefit as possible, but which is it?

    You have made contradictory statements:

    You have said you find the idea of one animal evolving into another to be "contentious".
    And you have said "you don't question evolution".

    Which is it?
     
  22. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Show that one type of animal has turned into a completely different type of animal. Then it will be simply “evolution”.

    So far it’s simply an idea taken on faith, and forced down people’s throats, which is why it is, regarded as a religion, by people who do not pander to your presets.

    Jan.
     
  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    And Jan besides being tricky you are talking through your hat which you are clearly sitting on☺.

    But its clear that for you "discussion" here is only a game for you.

    I think you set out to annoy folk and can only say that you are very good at that task.
    If you believe the bronze age offers superior wisdom go for it because as you say you can believe what you want.
    I do think you are an athiest behaving as you do to draw attention to the dishonest behaviour practiced by some believers ... you run a sirt of false flag opperation...and thats good because I for one have looked at religion so as to conclude it is even a bigger lie than I first thought.
    And no doubt the site traffic is up because of your hard work and many folk get a mental stimulation trying to present reason and your action drives folk like me to work hard to crush you☺
    But of course you are uncrushable.
    I respect your trickyness but I dont regard it as a virtue.
    Anyways now that you accept evolution and leave behind notions of creation you have taken yet another step on the path of enlightenment.
    I think all of us here can be proud that in some small way we have helped you slowly let go of the superstition that has crushed your existence.
    Alex
     

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