Creationist defends bible and attacks straw man version of evolution

Lol. From where did you weave that whale of a tale?

 

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That is Speculation. The truth is we just don’t know how abiogenesis occurred from a scientific perspective.

 

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That is an unwarranted interpretation of the text.

 

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No, it's not. You asked "Where did the chemicals in the pre-biotic soup come from?" That's the list of chemicals that were in the early reducing atmosphere. Nitrogen, hydrogen and water from the Earth's formation. Hydrogen sulfide and sulfur dioxide from molten rock. Ammonia and carbon dioxide through chemical reactions between water and hot rock. Lightning from storms. We know this because we can duplicate all these things today in a lab.

 

Pretty sure it says we were made from the dust of the ground. As in the dust from Planet Earth.

 

And stardust isn't?

Here are the actual words:

• Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved.
• Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
• He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.
• After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth.

 

So not stardust. Dirt.

 

Rocks where involved in several of the processes you proposed, in case you missed that.

 

Amazing how fast you changed your story. The Bible says nothing about people made from stardust, yet that's what you claimed. So, not only do you not know anything about science, you haven't even read the Bible which you hold dearest as your source of information.

 

But, you make it crystal sparkling clear that what you know and what science knows are two completely different things.

 

None of these have to be interpreted as being descriptive of either a flat Earth, or an Earth that does not move.

The Earth is certainly established and immovable in its orbit around the Sun. The Sun holds the Earth in place, it cannot move out of its orbit. The Sun is a foundation for the Earth.

 

Not really. The Earth's tilt is changing, It's "wobble" is changing, it orbits in an ellipse, and the Earth's rotational speed is changing, so much so that in a few billion years time, the Earth will have one side facing the Moon, and the Moon will be double its distance. That's science.

 

I was thinking of verses like these...

Genesis 2:7
Genesis 3:19
Psalm 103:14
Ecclesiastes 3:20
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Psalm 90:3
Job 34:15
Job 10:9
1 Corinthians 15:47
Psalm 103:14

 

But, you're applying the heliocentric model, which we now know, but back then it was the geocentric model in which the earth was the center of the universe.

 

Did you notice none of those verse says anything about stardust, which is what you claimed? As well, those verses are all wrong as well, we didn't come from dust either.

 

Sure, I have no problem with that, none of the texts were written in the style of scientific analysis. They are simply generally true.

 

You mean other than it ACTUALLY SAYING "it cannot be moved" and "it can never move."

Yep, it sure does. And the Church once arrested Galileo and executed Bruno for claiming that, because the Bible says it does not move.

Galileo specifically was given a choice - recant his heretical belief that the Earth moved around the Sun in contradiction to the Bible, or face execution. He recanted. As he was being led out of the courtroom, he was reported to have muttered "E pur si muove" (and yet, it moves.)

Giordano Bruno was not given a choice. He was just executed for claiming what you did (and for making several other non-Biblical statements.) He was burned at the stake, if I recall.

 

We know that when we die we return to dust. Do you disagree?

 

The texts you speak of can be interpreted in many different ways and are not scientific texts. In fact the whole book you hold so dear was written by obscure uneducated men, in an obscure age, in an obscure manner.

 

Well said, I agree!

The Catholic Church has never represented the teachings of Jesus and has always been evil from its conception.