Creation and evolution go hand in hand

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  1. aaqucnaona This sentence is a lie Valued Senior Member

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    Means what?
    Im narrow minded, wont accept deism? or that I want to bash?
    Coz I dont have either in mind.
    Occam's razor is the one of the most important basic premises of modern science, a simple explaination is always better than a complicated one.

    Can u please elaborate what u mean?
     
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  3. aaqucnaona This sentence is a lie Valued Senior Member

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    Its not. Even today we have prions, which can be further extended back to a primordial soup then to enzyme like chemicals to prions and then the sequence would follow:
    Prion > Rna virus > Viruses > Bacteria > Eukaryotic single cells > Mulicell collonies > simple multicell organisms > sea worms and mollusks > fishes > amphibians > reptiles > mammals > primates > apes > great apes > homo > modern man.

    Its not impossibly complex. The fact that almost 50% of the time life on earth has existed, it was only single celled tells us how long it took and so how it ,indeed, could have happened.
     
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  5. aaqucnaona This sentence is a lie Valued Senior Member

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    Actually if u were to time travel with just a few modern scientific marvels back to the time of jesus, if he was a real person, there is little doubt about who could gather a greater following.

    We aren't headed anywhere. There is no goal as such. Most animals go towards better adaptablity to the environment but since natural selection hardly acts on humans at all today, all we can expect is better immunity to diseases.
     
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  7. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    A bit like the I-Pad I Phone and Steve Jobs he was "god".
    But thinking about that an I-Phone without all the network it still wouldn't work. A good big John Deere tractor is still a marvel to behold. Would have saved a lot of work, till the tank run dry.

    But I think you are narrow minded in your view of evolution.

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  8. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    The razor - slashing connection I'd imagine.

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    It was a joke basically.

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  9. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    We're hardly going to get that through natural selection! We medicate every disease that we don't have a vaccine for. The top natural killers are cancer and heart disease (which are not even entirely "natural" anymore due to the effects of smoking), and they generally kill people after they've already had their children.

    In the USA, three of the leading causes of death for teenagers who have not yet had children are suicide, murder and road accidents. It won't be easy to evolve immunity to those!
     
  10. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Viruses and Prions only live inside other cells. Viruses do sometimes form spores.
    I don't believe it is a general theory that more complex organisms developed from Prions and Viruses.
    The viruses are generally regarded as once more complex organism that have become parasitic, and dropped much of their coding.
    Prions are seen as a result of mistakes in coding that lead to wrong folding.

    If you go back to the unnamed parent which led to the three main branches, you must see that this cannot have been the first living organism. It would be too complicated.

    If this parent had evolved on the earth, it's smaller predecessors or their genetic descendants should still be around. There must be niches in which very tiny living creatures would have an advantage.
     
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  11. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    You are brilliant Captain! They are not here for the niche they require is not here. That is my theory justified.
    It was in my head but to put it into words? And you have suceeded thank you.

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  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I don't believe that. I think autism is one example of a variation that is gaining traction in the gene pool as technological jobs correlate autism to personal and thus reproductive success.
     
  13. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    Are you saying autism is a genetic advantage?

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  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Mild autism, yes, but mostly in modern times. Just look at how it seems to center around areas of the country that specialize in tech jobs, like Silicon Valley.
     
  15. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not quite saying that.
    I'm saying the niches are here, but they aren't occupying them, so they must have developed somewhere else.
     
  16. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    What about: "The common ancestor organisms arrived on Earth but the specific niche was not here, so they did not take. For these organisms were of a primitive nature that required the extra cellular environment to be specific for that life form for these organisms relied on diffusion.
    More evolved varieties had developed specialised cell walls which were capable of accumulating nutrients, rather than just relying on diffusion."

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  17. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Well that's not what I was thinking about anyway.
     
  18. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    You know on the other thread where I'm trying to go for combined thought ideas, so you might not be thinking quite the same but then take my idea and build on it and see where it all ends up.
    The event that took life forms from one planet to the other would obviously not be selective. Things may have started to get harsh on Mercury life forms started getting specialised to survive, developing survival methods, hibernation mechanism against desiccation, spore forming, and such like. Any organism that relied on absorption alone was OK early on, so they might have died off and were never involved in the panspermia events.
    So that is more what you were thinking right.

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  19. arauca Banned Banned

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    You seams an interesting guy to ask questions .
    The anaerobic primitive organism . They don't require Oxygen they get their oxygen from sulfates , I assume they don't require sunlight , do they ? . I suppose they might get the energy from volcanic fumarole of other energy emitting body > Please correct my assumption .
     
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    Yes I read they have recently found organisms like this (extremophiles is one term).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile

    But even if life can survive in the extremes like this I would think it unlikely that this is where abiogenesis occurred.
    It will be interesting to see what the Captain has to say.

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    With the thermophile is necessary to be specific as the temperature , the living organism does not reside at a temperature higher then about 70 C if I remember , the organism hoovers in the water gradient
     
  22. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    Read that article.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile
    Look at this section: "Recent research carried out on extremophiles in Japan involved a variety of bacteria including Escherichia coli and Paracoccus denitrificans being subject to conditions of extreme gravity. The bacteria were cultivated while being rotated in an ultracentrifuge at high speeds corresponding to 403,627 times "g" (the normal accelaration due to gravity). Paracoccus denitrificans was one of the bacteria which displayed not only survival but also robust cellular growth under these conditions of hyperaccelaration which are usually found only in cosmic environments, such as on very massive stars or in the shock waves of supernovas. Analysis showed that the small size of prokaryotic cells is essential for successful growth under hypergravity. The research has implications on the feasibility of panspermia.[6][7]
     
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    Hyperthermophile
    An organism that can thrive at temperatures between 80–122 °C, such as those found in hydrothermal systems
    The article I remember reading , they swim in for short time and move out , that is why I say it is necessary to see the evaluation . , remember water boiling point. 100. C
    It is necessary to keep in mind how the cell membrane will hold the base for the membrane is Phospholipids and in many places is held bu hydrogen bonding . Perhaps in the ocean the membrane can hold more because of the high pressure
     
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