# Creating the worlds strongest sword?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by EmptyForceOfChi, Oct 30, 2005.

1. ### Pinocchio's HoofPay the Devil, or else.......£Registered Senior Member

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the japanese do a line of knives,(not global) that are made using same techniques as they do samurai swords, probably the best in the world but mucho expensivo....

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8. ### zsilverRegistered Member

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ok so i have an idea would using carbon fiber or carbon nano tubing make a super light weight super strong sword? please tell me if it would.

9. ### PhysicalCompoundsRegistered Member

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Speed and Strength?

Everyone is saying what is the strongest sword, and others are also taking speed into account... If you want the strongest sword, then you would probably want tungsten, but if you were talking about speed then tungsten wouldn't really be your choice...Now a metal that's quite light and strong at the same time would be titanium, as said before it needs an non-oxygen environment and needs over 1000's of degrees to melt...Now to make that sword would be pretty damn hard let alone buying the titanium itself..

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10. ### Buffalo RoamRegistered Senior Member

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You get with in 15 feet of me with a big knife I shoot you then and there.

Been there.

11. ### codanblada love of bridgesRegistered Senior Member

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lol these guns > knives arguments are dumb. they're both useful weapons in different situations, there's no point arguing one's better than the other it just depends on the situation.

12. ### Buffalo RoamRegistered Senior Member

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Exactly,

And the situation today is, don't bring a knife to a gun fight no matter how big, in some very specialized tactical situations a sword just might have a use, but as a general weapon, in any other situation, the only time is would reign supreme is, if there are no fire arm present, and if your opponent has a bow, your screwed again.

For silence, there are many more preferable weapons that are far more effective at taking out a target, the Ax being one, far more devastating than a sword, and can achieve almost instantaneous incapacitation of a sentry, just a soft thud as it drives home.

45 deg. angle cut at the juncture of the shoulder and neck, down across the body, severs the spine, and destroys the tracheas and lungs.

or better yet, a heavy caliber pistol with a one of the new generation of cans, on the end, (they are truely amazing)and infrared laser targeting, head shot to the brain stem, the light's are switched off right now.

13. ### gb356Registered Member

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my turn

finally any way carbon nanotube for any one who's interested have a tensile strength of about 1000 higher than steel and is way lighter than even aluminum
this is because they happen to have the strongest structural bond yet discovered and they are also mostly empty space and yes i no matter is 95% empty space for any one who wanted to be supremely literal but any way there are multiwalled and singled walled the first is stronger the second happens to be a conductor far superior to copper further more there are other specifications to it like its ability to be a semiconductor aka transistor for CPU but any way nanotubes are 50000 times thinner than human hair and they can be created to be infinitely long it has been found in trace amounts in Damascus steel giving it its superb qualities and it also has good thermal conductive possibilities by the by on the plasma subject plasma is free flowing electrons easily controllable through magnetic field which can be described as flow of electrons and there fore plasma could be easily controlled for sword type weapon and the one thing with the silicon alloy of steel being unbreakable is ludicrous one of silicons major qualities is brittleness hence breaking solar panels sorry if i seem like a well any thing perceivable in a negative manor that being said i find that many descriptions in this thread seem almost impossibly vague such as the molecule wide sword molecules can be in the range of a plethora different sizes if that sounds technical what a good example is that no matter how big a string of nanotube is its still one molecule just food for thought another neat fact is that well not all things are written in stone or in this case steel

14. ### jriper03Registered Member

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what about tungsten carbide bonded with cobalt or nickel..ive read on a couple of "tool and machine" sites that the cobalt and the nickel take care of Tungsten carbide's brittleness..even on sword forum international's page

they dont mention these new developments with cobalt and nickel maybe..the other guys here can do some more extensive research and give me their opinion...im a big fan of steel..but i dont believe that we should just give up on a "stronger" sword. we just need to do some serious thinking outside the box....and in reality swords have no place in todays combat..its just to say hey look what we did..i know its not important to make some new technological sword, i just dont like the "give up" attitude, i think everybody's mind is unique and if you dont have the answer someone else will.

15. ### RolandRegistered Member

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Just to clarify when we are talking about the strongest sword. I want people to to assume these facts.. Please bare with me and the criteria and try not to laugh.
1. You've traveled back in time 2000 years.
2. By trade, you are a swordsmen/warrior.
3. You have 1 time coupon for a sword (metal blade) from the future 2010.

This sword is going to take part in 100s of battles, and be passed down through the generations. What would be the best (most durable) longest lasting material to construct this blade out of.

16. ### spidergoatVenued Serial MembershipValued Senior Member

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I don't think any modern swords are better than those perfected by the Japanese. It's far more important what you do with it.

17. ### PandaemoniValued Senior Member

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What is even meant by "strong." A sword needs to be both hard and flexible in different measures. Strong suggests "hardness" to me. You can made a super hard sword, but it will be brittle and shatter in actual use. (that said, it could have a very sharp edge, right up to the ppoint bwhere it breaks). You could talk have a super resilient sword, that is able to absorb massice shocks without breaking, but resilient materials are not hard enough to hold an edge well. Great swords use different metals in different parks of the sword so it will have a resilient core and a hard outer casing (to hold an edge).

Katanas werre good in their day specifically because they ritualized the making the weapon from two kinds of steel, one resilient and one hard, and the ritual allowed them to come out in a uniformly high quality.

I do agree that the era of the sword is ended, but if the question is: How much can we improve on traditional techniques, the answer is "we can, but not that much." Titanium is a great material, but steel is still generally better (it's the strength to weight ratio of Titanium that is better, but swords (A) aren't prohibitively heavy when made from steel and (B) the blade weight can add to their penetrating power in use.

18. ### PUNKxROCKxLYCANRegistered Member

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tungsten i dont think it will work

it would seem like a good idea but tungsten is very brittle and from what ive read on it. it can be cut threw with a hacksaw in its purest form....so maybe a different kind of metal

19. ### cekmRegistered Member

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Refering to the origanal point of discussion. The question applied to strength of swords should be about swords, not guns or games. Although the concept in those games is intriguing and may be possible in the distant future, right now we don't have the technology. However for those who are actually interested in what type of steel is best for building a traditional sword, i have a rather long-winded suggestion:

The biggest problem with a sword is that the denser it is the easier it shatters. It’s true that stronger metal with more density holds an edge longer and has better cutting potential; however, high density swords would be useless against blunt force. The harder the cohesion, the more susceptible it is to a shockwave. A small sledgehammer would likely powderize it. Reason being that the strength is in its molecular steadiness. A vibration would force the atoms to separate from each other causing a splinter effect. As for flexible swords, the strength lies in its ability to absorb the impact, making it less susceptible to those same vibrations, but due to the loosely connected atomic structure, they don’t hold an edge very well. The ultimate sword would need either flexibility, or a way to diffuse impact like a carbon steel blade would, as well as maintains a solid edge. It appears that a hybrid of tungsten and carbon steel would be the best choice, unless you use more reliable soft steel instead of carbon.

20. ### wisehoundRegistered Member

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i am an author and writing a book about the return of Excalibur. Any way i would greatly value a detail description of a superior sword that could be the concept of this sword. I set up the notion that Excalibur is of future origin (our day) and have proposed Merlin is a mere time traveler with a heroic quest to preserve humanity from itself. Please i value all the post i have read of yours and greatly appreciate your assistance in this matter. Please e-mail me at wisehound@yahoo.com if you can assist.

21. ### StryderKeeper of "good" ideas.Valued Senior Member

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Wisehound:

For what relevance might or might not exist:
If a sword was made of a highly Ferrous material (Iron), then it's likely that if it was placed into a Magnetite bedrock, it would seemingly be held in place by a magical force... Magnetism. Such force could be repelled however if a polarised steel gauntlet had been made, as grabbing an embedded sword would generate a certain amount of polar reversal potentially weakening it's influencing force.

An extra added potential involves weather elements, for instance if a crack in a rock gets filled with water and it freezes, water expands. Sometimes it's expansion can cause rocks to fracture, so over time it would be possible to remove an embedded object.

The sword itself is just "cosmetic", A tool to sway opinion, to generate mythical empowerment and generally pretty dull.

(In essence the whole Camelot story is about A fantasy filled "better" world, a story to tell your kids so they grow up wanting to fight righteously and courageously with their optimum values already preset.

It's typically reminiscent of the start of any religion, initial fantasy stories to imply betterment eventually misunderstood and refitted into belief systems which people fight and die over.)

22. ### SetkRegistered Member

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Ok so here's the deal... This has been done. However in order to create a stable blade they needed to use the same method used to create man-made diamonds. And after doing this they had to figure out how to sharpen something so incredibly dense. There are two ways to do this they determined. Through the use of lasers or acid. Lasers created the most uniform edge. The edge coming down to the nano meter scale. The only thing to make this work better would to vibrate the blade at an ultra high frequency. This is a proven concept.. However if you were to hold this thing, it would liquify your muscle tissue and shake your bones so hard they effectively disintegrate. The people that figured out how to do this regularly talk to konami. And hideo kojima is a personal friend of theirs. So the next time you play metal gear. Keep in mind that the weird weapons that play such a large role in the game. Keep in mind that most of those weapons... The robotic nano suit, the high frequency blade. The rail gun. They're all proven concepts. They've all been experimented with at some point. And shown promise. Oh and the patriots? There is an organization like that. We could be compared to a sub government. The men behind the curtains if you will. Most storys of fiction have a base in reality. Keep that in mind the next time you see something that seemingly defies the lays of physics.

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23. ### SlickmonkeyRegistered Member

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This will probably not be answered since it is a old forum but couldn't you just make a sword that is made out of steel but just add some tungsten to it not like meld them together (though that may work i have no idea i am not a blacksmith) but like melt the tungsten though it would be hard to do since tungsten is heat resistant but if you did it pour it on the blade then temper it that could work

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don't be mean to me guys i am not a master of smiting i know this may sound stupid but what if it could work