Creating the worlds strongest sword?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by EmptyForceOfChi, Oct 30, 2005.

  1. EmptyForceOfChi Banned

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    ok this thread wont appeal to many people so for those who dont like weapons or have a need for them this wont be interesting to you so sorry if your against weapons but this thread is for martial artists, weaponsmiths, and people interested in swords and there durability.

    ok i looked into this and it dosent look like its been done before, so what does anybody think of making a sword made from tungsten/titanium fusion or just a tungsten sword, tungsten is the strongest metal in the world and most dense, with the highest melting point, thousands of degree;s. anyway does anybody think weapons and shields could be forged from this metal and improve katana/Dao/broadsword/gim sword design making them much more durable and strong, with high cutting power,
     
  2. domesticated om Interplanetary homesteader Valued Senior Member

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    A firearm in the hands of a newb is 1000 times more effective than an indestructable sword in the hands of a highly trained warrior.
     
  3. Communist Hamster Cricetulus griseus leninus Valued Senior Member

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    Unless the warrior is behind the n00b and the n00b doesnt realize it.
     
  4. EmptyForceOfChi Banned

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    look this sint about guns man read the thread please. can people stick to the subject please? does anyone know alot about metals and tempering blades? and folding them, would it be possible to fold and temper tungsten metals to make a sword?


    and what if the guy with the gun is up against a ninja and it is dark, who would win when the ninja gets in range without the gun man knowing of his location, its not always appropriate to use a gun man, what if you need to be silent? even a gun with silencer is uite loud if you have actually heard guns fire up close. and not many guns can attatch silencer mainly pistols.
     
  5. EmptyForceOfChi Banned

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    and not any "noob" can use a gun, your a "noob" if you think this what about recoil? what about accuracy? what about posture? what about handeling the gun knowing how to load it correctly? knowing how to maintain it? you do know you shouldent use more than 2 clips in a gun consecutively without cleaning it? you know semi automatics are unreliable? and can jam thent he warrior slashes him to bits when his gun jams. i have experience in firearms i have a gun you cant be a noob with a gun, its dangerous.



    peace.
     
  6. domesticated om Interplanetary homesteader Valued Senior Member

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    First, a link (just for the heck of it)
    http://www.compfused.com/directlink/608/

    Ok-back to the topic-- here is the main problem in conceptualizing a super strong sword:
    To say that the sword is 'stronger' suggests that it actually has some sort of function by which it's measured or tested. A sword is intended to be a combat weapon, so it's 'trial by fire' is combat.
    History has already shown us that the day of the melee weapon is basicly over. The gun is a relatively easy to use weapon that requires alot less skill or physical prowess than using a sword. Sir Gawain/Yagyu Jubei standing on the battlefield is no match for some rookie with two days of experience standing there with an AK47.
    That being said, its context of having any properties or characteristics that desribe it in terms of 'strong' are rendered totally obsolete----this is of course, assuming you don't mean strong in terms of "able to resist the stresses from being in a museum display" better than the ancient swords.
     
  7. Roman Banned

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    With modern folding techniques, it's possible to fold very high quality steel many times for incredibly durable blades.

    You porbably know that the Japanese folded steel in their sword blades, but this was because they had very poor quality iron there and folding steel was necessary. Notice that the Japanese have no metal armors and most of their weapons are for slashing. In fact, until the Japanese perfected their folding technique, most weapons were of Chinese make.

    Katanas were thin and light, no good for any sort of metal armor. Were you to hit a man in plate the blade would chip. Blocking another blade with a katana was dangerous as it threatened the blade's integrity. Most fighting techniques with a katana are swings rather than jabs as a katana had no real armor to puncture.

    So, could you make a tough-ass sword with modern alloys and techniques? Yes, of course. But the practicality of such a weapon would be limited. First, if you were using it as a backup weapon or a stealthy means to eliminate a target, you'd probably be better off with a dagger or something.

    If you're dueling with such a sword, then both you and opponent would probably be outfitted in equally advanced armor. So really you're back to square one.
     
  8. spidergoat alien lie form Valued Senior Member

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    A pure tungsten sword would be very heavy and brittle (and expensive), but you know there is already 0.05% tungsten in traditional Japanese steel, and 0.02% titanium. Different alloys give you different properties. Just as important is the microscopic grain structure, and tempering of the blade after forging.
     
  9. Mephura Applesauce, bitch... Valued Senior Member

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  10. Roman Banned

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    I read they made golf clubs out of that kinda metal and got record far hits cause the stuff was so elastic. But because it was an amorphous molecular structure, like glass, the clubs had a habbit of exploding after every 50 hits or so.
     
  11. spidergoat alien lie form Valued Senior Member

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    Most metals fail because of tiny cracks that develop on the level of microscopic crystal structure. If you can control that structure, the same alloy will have different properties.
     
  12. domesticated om Interplanetary homesteader Valued Senior Member

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    I have an idea for an effective super-sword. How about a 'molecule sword'.

    Here's the idea- assuming you could find some sort of material that could do this without breaking, make a blade that's 1 molecule thick (like a string)...maybe a rapier or a fencing styled foil. Also make the blade about 15 feet long (hey- it's 1 molecule thick-- it wouldn't really weigh anything).

    The blade would be far superior to anything before it. It would be able to cut through anything....rephrase EVERYTHING like butter. You could potentially walk up to a tank on the battle field, and slice it in half.
     
  13. spidergoat alien lie form Valued Senior Member

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    It would be sharp, but weak, worse than aluminum foil. You could catch it and crush it in your hand.

    If you were able to build a sword atom by atom, that would be something.
     
  14. dsdsds Valued Senior Member

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    "molecule sword" That's impossible. For the same reason you can't make a thin rope to climb into space.
     
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  16. domesticated om Interplanetary homesteader Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder if it's possible find whatever bunch of particles that has the highest level of cohesion and use them as a point of reference, then expose the blade of the molecule sword to something that gives them the same level of cohesion +1. Like- maybe the hilt of the sword is equipped with an electromagnet or something similar.
     
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  18. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Then why did European armie simply mass-conscript people and just heanded them a musket and said "aim, fire"? That's all ye have to do with a firearm. Point and shoot. It's simplicity and quick learning time makes it damn good.

    Now, for the sword:
    For good cutability and simple coolness:
    monmolecular diamond blade, with a gold cross-guard, an ivory handle, and a jewel-encrusted gold pommel.
     
  19. Roman Banned

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    Fan of the Metal Gear series? That's fiction.
     
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  20. domesticated om Interplanetary homesteader Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, the "monofilament whip" (a weapon from the RPG "Shadowrun") is where I got the idea from. You're right though... it is fiction.
     

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