Creating puppets to discuss unfair treatment to administration.

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by kwhilborn, May 25, 2012.

  1. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    I was once banned for "spamming"because I put a link in enough times so some of the older folks here could see it.

    I explained why I linked it many times in that post, however am in the habit of linking videos at least 2 or three times to help older members see it and be able to click on it. I have had many responses from people to lazy or too blind to actually click on the links on occasion so this became a necessity.

    in post 810 of
    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=109913&page=41

    In a later post I again linked a video 3 times and was banned from Sciforums by a moderator whom was very vocal about his own opinions on this thread (which still appear wrong b.t.w.).

    The reason given was for Spamming/Advertising. My link to NASA videos was Spam? Advertising? Intelligent moderating?

    I felt I was contributing to a discussion about an important new avenue of science. In fact; it will be one of the largest game changing sciences on our planet over the next 100 years. However that is besides the point. The point is the thread was a better topic than many.

    Now I had a moderator ban me for what I believed was personal reasons.

    Now here is my question/debate....

    I have seen the site administrator be away from this site for prolonged periods on occasion. I created a sockpuppet to email him, and also to comment in Open Government that some moderators seem to get a kick out of banning people for no reason. I did not use this sockpuppet in anyplace else except Open Government and to email the site administrator.

    I was then banned for a longer period for doing that.

    I then made another sockpuppet and started trash talking the moderators because I knew this website is not progressive enough for new science discussions. It did turn out that LENR is real btw and recently provided even more proof that will again be ignored by sciforum members. Maybe they can even bump it into pseudoscience so I can get a real laugh.

    It is one thing for skeptics to poof away parapsychology and religion, but there is also an abundance of Skeptics that have kept the LENR topic closed for months because of their narrow vision. NASA has confirmed LENR. See the LENR thread for more info.

    I think sockpuppets are necessary to complain about idiotic moderators (no names please, they know who they are).

    Once again I first created a sockpuppet for the sole purpose of talking to site admin (who seems to care less), and secondly for questioning the moderating tactics in Open Government. The second was done because I had no idea how long the site admin would be away.

    I think this was justified and appropriate. Furthermore NASA has confirmed LENR research is ongoing and real since that debate and the moderator in question was completely wrong and simply quick to anger at being told so.

    Since then I have kept away from this forum, but have come back to gloat a bit as NASA has confirmed LENR is really being researched and to quote them/Dennis Bushnell, Chief Scientist, NASA Langley Research Center.
     
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  3. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Honestly... if someone is too "lazy" or "inept" to click on a link when you post it once... why would you think posting it a dozen times would make a difference? I mean, it's some special kind of stupid if you can't figure out to click on a link... and if you're that lazy, well, yeah... there are no words for that.
     
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  5. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    and seriously..if you have that many probs with this site, why do you keep coming back??
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Makes sense. Spamming is against the rules.

    Also makes sense. Sockpuppets are also against the rules.

    Sockpuppets are generally used by people who are too cowardly to stand behind their opinions, and too irresponsible to accept the consequences of their actions.
     
  8. Hipparchia Registered Senior Member

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    Well, I'm not an old person, but I've found repetition of a link helpful when I have been scanning rapidly through a thread. It seems to be a practice that at worst is neutral and at best is beneficial in a minor way. I'm not clear why it would be considered spamming.
     
  9. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    A "best practice" for things like this would be to include the links in-text as normal, then repost them ONCE in a sort of "review" section at the end of the post with a short description beside them. Posting them a dozen times in a row... really?
     
  10. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    The question is more..

    Should a sock puppet be allowed if it ONLY is to make a report to Site Admin or comments in the members only OPEN GOV Forum.

    I know the moderator was just frustrated for losing his point on the thread in question, and had nothing to do with spam. Spamming is actually a ban that is meant for businesses adding links to their websites, etc. Some moderators can be childish. I can think of several.

    As Hipparchia said above posting a link a few times in a row helps it stand apart from simple underlined text.

    @ Kittamaru,
    Never a dozen and in the one post where I put it 8 times as in the example in the OP I clarified that the video was important to the discussion and verified my position. Too many posters on here just post based on the title and do not look at links or previous posts.

    This was the exact text in the link I was banned for... SERIOUSLY
    so really I got banned for posting the same link twice in a row. Notice how it does make it stand out a bit more. Nice and pretty.
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    More like a dozen times. I've seen it in several threads.
     
  12. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Honestly, posting it twice DOESN'T make it stand out any more to me...
     
  13. Gustav Banned Banned

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    it did for someone tho
    so much so that it earned a ban
     
  14. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    Again.. The question was a Sock Puppet for emailing site admin or posting a debate about ban in Open Gov't.

    I know the reason for the ban had nothing to do with spam and was just a moderator trying to shove an incorrect viewpoint down peoples throats. He posts his wrong viewpoint and then bans the person opposing him. That is how it works here.

    No big secret.
     
  15. prometheus viva voce! Registered Senior Member

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    Surely if this was true your posts would have been deleted. Since you have linked to the post you say got you banned, it has clearly not been.
     
  16. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    The post was pm to me. Want me to forward it to you?
     
  17. prometheus viva voce! Registered Senior Member

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    If you really want to. Personally, I don't see why you couldn't just wait until the ban expired to raise your issue - It's not like you could really argue you weren't spamming. Didn't you create a pile of identical threads in a pile of different forums?
     
  18. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    no. Ban was for linking a video twice if you believe the moderator.
     
  19. keith1 Guest

    Put yourself in the place of people who must administer server storage space into perpetuity. It is not aggressive or unfair to practice frugal and clean posting techniques.

    --One technique would be to do a simple search (click SEARCH on gray bar at top of page) of the subject you wish to add to. This subject may have/may be ongoing in topic discussion elsewhere, and would waste space (redundant) to begin a fresh conversation.

    --There are many "netiquette" points which should be mandatory to experience, before any access to posting should be allowed, at this site.

    --Elderly posters with bad eyesight should be aware of accessibility and enlargement techniques and not need "hand-holding by non-moderating entities at this site".

    You will find most moderators are fair, until one who is not a moderator tries to "place the actual moderator feet on a hand-truck" and force them into "site construction conditions", set by non-moderators (no matter how well intended).

    A non-moderator cannot be held responsible, later, for the bad conditions poorly thought out, by their "micro-managing" intrusion into the constructs of the site. So they should not expect to be given any fair responsibility at the onset of their intrusive behavior.
     
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  20. prometheus viva voce! Registered Senior Member

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    I honestly don't see how you can have a problem with being banned: You presumably agreed to the terms and conditions when you signed up. Among other things they rule out spamming which you did when you posted the same link and information across multiple threads. I did a search and found this post, the relevant part of which is
    The ban was extended for having more than one account for the same user which you did when you created your Jack T and umop 3pl5dn wl accounts.

    I thought you didn't complain about moderators?
     
  21. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    While a ban may not be justified and I see no issues in why a person may ask that it be questioned (Though I express no opinions as to whether or not yours was) I'm lost as to the Sock Puppet Issue.

    An unregistered visitor can hit "Contact Us" at the bottom of the page, to achieve the same result, right?

    I'd question the futility of questioning Mod actions, really. Considering my own single attempt has been unacknowledged in any way and has, so far, been fruitless.

    Mods expect posters to snap and jump to correct a post, not get around to it whenever we feel so inclined...
     
  22. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    I only complained bout 1 moderator. On any forum.

    Then I get a ban from a disgruntled moderator who was posting fallacies in my thread. He was being emphatic NASA was not invloved with LENR and they have now confirmed they were. So he was just trying to force an opinion.

    There are 2 moderators on this website I dislike and for risk of a permaban I will also state I really disliked the way James R handled things, and his choice in moderators apparently.

    @ Neverfly,
    How could you complain about being banned by a frustrated knowitall if you cannot log on? Hence the first sockpuppet.
     
  23. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Well, ya know, you COULD let the temp ban run its course, then come back and discuss it like a dignified person, as opposed to breaking further forum rules and risking being permanently banned...
     

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