Create an "Alternative theories" subforum?

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ph has a "beyond the standard model" as a sub in physics which seem to be their "Alternative Theories" still tho, one can possibly have theories in other disciplines that counter the prevailing dogma so i'd slap that puppy 3 nests down

/sciforums/science/Alternative Theories

also, implement "ufology" in subcultures. it is an easy and logical complement to parapsych. pseudo was the de facto ufology forum and now it is cluttered with your trash. you owe us!!

 

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Do you think an Alternative Theories forum is a good idea?
Specify subforums (e.g., cosmology, steady-state, Big-Bang, etc.) and participant rules

What should the forum be called (if not "Alternative theories")?
Alternative "Hypotheses" might be better, theories are testable.
Specify subforum topics

Where should it be placed in the forum heirarchy (e.g. as a subforum of Physics, as a subforum of Pseudoscience, on its own under some other heading, etc.)?
Physics

Got any other good ideas relating to this?
Serious alternative hypotheses, minimize ad nauseum re-posts of the same narratives, based on participants' votes

 

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No.

Pseudoscience works fine. Why change it unless the forum administrators want to start applying new restrictions on us deluded pea brains. That I could understand, lol.

 

perhaps a forum for "alternative opening posts?"

 

No forum will work on Sciforums except the few standard physics and science forums, and those will only work if people stick to 1973 Encyclopaedia Britannica accepted theories.

NO forum in Sciforums will allow for Suppositions, Brainstorming, or left-wing quantum mechanics. There are thousands of people who believe that Consciousness causes wave collapse, yet none of them could ever be represented on Sciforums or they would get driven out by moderators and members with pitchforks. I probably risk ridicule for even acknowledging they exist.

No actual intelligent discussion could take place even on a supposition if it was in the pseudoscience forum, etc. Too many people trolling, and it is as "patrolled" as the religion forums.

Lets say for example; that a Nobel Prize winning physicist came on here and said this.

Now I am not saying a Nobel prize winning physicist would ever say such a thing, but if he came here and did hoping to hear a theory or suggestions, the best suggestion he would walk away with is....(Enter some profanities here).

First off; if he was foolish enough to post it in physics, the all knowing gods of physics would move the thread to pseudoscience or even the cesspool. Sciforums has no lack of authorities.

So if you want to talk about established science and complete your homework, then this is the place. If you want to find smart minds willing to explore "what if" scenarios, or any suppositions, you are better off somewhere else.

I suggest that people who start threads should be able to control the content, and delete the hate spammers who should not even be reading stuff they are so dead set against. Otherwise; Sciforums can continue to exist as it is. I think the popular conversation today was "what makes the fart sound". Wouldn't want to miss out on that...

 

I nicely worded summary of why I spend less time here every year.

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interesting reiteration . I been working on my profanity . It is hard for carpenter . We are raised on profanity . It is all part of our speech patternization . I want to be a f**king builder when I grow up ! Sorry . Where else might that be ? The somewhere else you are talking about.

I like the way things are , yet I am a creature of habit so I would . Change is not always a bad thing as long as you don't loose your existing base . You could have a complete turn over but then our input right now might not mean much . You might need the input of the new turn over people and build on why they joined the site

 

kwhilborn, quantum_wave


why the "no" votes?

 

It would be a good idea except the same thing would happen as happens in the pseudoscience forum now. Any idea posted there that does not agree with the scientific consensus is brow beaten into submission.

 

Just call it "The Fringe" or "Fringe Science". Put it under Science or Physics (though there are likely fringe theories in almost every area). There are some legitimate fringe theories and some a bit closer to the edge.

It may or may not work, depending on the rules it is set up under. If it were clearly set up as a brainstorming area it might work.

Then again the way things seem to go around here if you put any rule in place to limit ridicule most of those who might actually offer some constructive discussion would probably stay clear. It seems things posted in Pseudoscience are held to a higher standard of proof than pseudoscience implies.

On the other hand having a heading that does not automatically imply "crack pot" might help.

 

You don't get it.

If you want to separate the "serious science" from the alternative theories, you end up with one uptight forum where stuff gets deleted at the discretion of a mod not finding it scientific enough, and another one full of nutjobs.

Loosen the rigidity of moderation in the science forums and let the ideas flourish.

 

I think an "alternative theories" forum might work best if all threads were automatically relocated to the cesspool. This would save moderators a lot of time, and the usual trolls won't notice the threads as much.

 

In my opinion a discussion has a role if it is contradictory.
Paraphrasing a friend:
"I believe in SR"
"Hey, me also".
"Um, nice talking to you".
"Yep, you too. Have fun, see ya". :shrug:

I think the purpose SciForums is not to recap the existing theories.
Is for new theories, criticism of existing theories or criticism some aspects of existing theories, within reasonable limits.
What are these reasonable limits? Here comes the skill of the moderators.
I am convinced that it is not easy to be moderator on SciForums.

So I vote no.

 

perfect
now build it and they will come

success can be measured by participation rather than the idiotic commentary that is on display here

no
subcultures would be more appropiate unless you want to tell me what is illogical about a postulation on aliens and their gizmos

 

I concur.

 

concur with what? you actually understand what you are quoting?

 

I haven't seen a single user on this forum posting an alternative theory in physics and coming anywhere close to meeting these criteria. Mostly we just get gobs of opinionated gibberish and personal attacks when the gibberish gets criticized. None of the people posting these alternative theories have shown any demonstrable understanding of the conventional scientific wisdom they seek to overturn (there are of course countless members such as Reiku who've tried to fake it), hence criteria 3--6 will not be satisfied by these folks. Could be different in biology or chemistry, I dunno because I don't follow those areas as much.

All that said, I don't mind the idea of an alternative theories section, if the posters there are strictly held to the stated criteria and disciplined for trolling if they fall substantially short. A decent understanding of conventional theories is a must before one decides to share their own kooky whatever it is in such a forum, otherwise they're just making a load of useless white noise to drown out the interesting stuff.