COVID-19 Source: Will we ever know?

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Have been well aware of what a wet market is for a long time now, if you have ever been to one they are hard to forget... it is the sale of Bats that is the issue... Live frogs, turtles and eels, as sold in Singapore wet markets, appear to be relatively safe. ( most being farmed and not wild)
As Bats are directly related to COVID-19, MERS and SARS and global economic melt down and an enormous death toll my question and point still stands...
Banning the the handling and sale of Bats would be a logical and quite rational thing to do.

What steps would you take to prevent another outbreak from a bat source if you could?
Btw, Bats can be found in many places in the world including the Middle East. MERS was apparently of Bat origin ==> Camel.

 

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ALL domesticated animals originated from wild animals.

Domesticated animals are a huge risk for several reasons.
1) People are in very close contact with them
2) We eat them by the ton
3) We hit them with high dose antibiotics all the time, so those animals breed antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

?? Right. You said that when it comes to " viruses, parasites and bacteria etc. there is a difference." I am answering that speculation.

Right.

Probably because they couldn't stop it. If they clamped down the trade would go underground and that would be an even bigger risk.

 

I was actually hoping you would use this excuse for doing nothing...
The difference is that if the Chinese Government ban the Bat trade and enforce the ban, they can at least claim a less responsibility for any future outbreak and place the responsibility on criminal elements in it's society.
As it stands the world sees China as condoning the Bat trade ( which I believe is not true based on vague info) and are therefore complicit in the pandemic today and the ones to follow.

It is puzzling that a government that is so "global optics" focused, so ruthless in it's quest to social engineer ( especially regarding culture and religion) and expand it's global influence would allow the Bat trade to appear to continue and use cultural necessity as an excuse. ( a significant hypocrisy )

What is China doing to protect itself from another pandemic and avoid such massive losses, both economical and human? ( rhetorical**)

(**) Rhetorical because no one really knows due to the Chinese Gov. lack of transparency.

 

True but there are concerns among virologists that some viruses can be evolved spontaneously, hypothetically due to animal stress factors and mixing those stressed species in close proximity with each other and raw butchered meat.

The wet markets are not pleasant places if you are concerned about animal rights or health.

They are in some cases, virus breeding grounds...They know it and yet they appear to condone it...
So it is logical to assume that the Chinese Government already know that the wet markets are not the source...of their massive economic and human losses. ( COVID-19)

 

I don't run, or live in, China.

So you'd rather . . . have someone to blame than solve the problem?

Trump is currently taking that approach, so you'd be in good company.

?? It is illegal to sell wild animals at their wet markets. How is that "condoning the bat trade?"

 

Currently according to media sources the Bat trade continues in the wet markets
Goggle : bat trade in wet markets
There are many links to choose from...

 

?? Spontaneously? As in on Tuesday, there's no virus, and on Wednesday, there's a deadly virus in bats that can jump to humans?

No, virology doesn't work that way.

Wet markets are still open. Wild animal trade is not allowed. How are they condoning it?

Banning wet markets in China is like banning breakfast places in the US after swine flu because there's a lot of bacon there. It 1) wouldn't do anything and 2) would make a lot of people very angry.

 

Exactly. And if China closes the wet markets - the bat trade will continue in the wet markets.

What caused this disease (selling wild animals) is now illegal. You're not going to be able to spin that into "China condones COVID."

 

Just make sure your bat meat is thoroughly cooked. I like mine on the rare side but now I'm starting to cook it more.

 

I said that it "appears" that China is condoning it, it is a matter of global optics.
I believe I read somewhere that the law banning wild animals, including the Bat trade, was rescinded around the time the lock down of Wuhan was lifted.

 

I guess it is a question for the Chinese to address, evolve their nation into the 1st world or remain stuck in the dark ages...
They either modernize and sanitize their desire for the medicinal properties of live animals ( Ancient Chinese medicine) or they remain in the dark ages...bringing the world down with it.

 

yes, they are incredibly interesting animals.. for sure..
It is also interesting to note that Bats are mammals that are the only mammal capable of sustained flight.
The facts that they are a mammal and capable of avian like flight is to me an interesting concordance of features especially when considering the commutability or transferability of a virus to humans ( also a mammal) ...

 

Eh, that's like saying that California can close its farmer's markets or remain stuck in the dark ages. Just doesn't fly. (Unless you have a political reason to try to denigrate China.)

OK. But again, that's like saying you appear to support eating bats, since you haven't given any money to anti-bat-eating causes, or called for the end of meat.

 

I'll put this here....This crazy woman needs to be locked up and the keys thrown away. Are there many more like her in the States?
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=726147178121985

 

It's a parody.

 

That would actually be a relief.
Just reminded me of a news thingy from the states a few years ago, with an Interview with a Klansman....He was asked why he thinks black Americans are "different" he replied because their backsides are reared higher then white folk[with an analogy to apes] He was serious.

 

Sorry I didn't realise that California markets sold bats and bat meat for Chinese medicinal use...
Can you provide a link that states so?
I find it hard to believe anything you say... but you might be right on this point... that California sells wild bats in it's fresh produce markets...although some sort of collaborating evidence would be nice... I'll take your word for it...

are you suggesting that California may be the source of this pandemic?

 

Most don't. It is illegal here just as it is illegal in China.

But California has open air markets just like China does. So to people like you, unless California closes down its open air markets, they appear to be OK with Coronavirus. They can choose to live in the dark ages, or shut them down. (Using your rationale.)

Then by all means, believe your imagination instead.