2015; Belgium -- Three unarmed individuals stopped a terrorist on a train 2018; Antioch, TN -- James Shaw Jr., 29, rushed AR-15 firing Travis Reinking, wrestled him to the ground, and took his weapon. Shaw's hands were severely burned from grabbing the AR-15. Tennessee's representatives, less than 60 days ago, passed a bill that lessens the penalties for permit-less carry in Tennessee. The bill passed in the state House of Representatives 72-20. Current law makes it a Class C misdemeanor to carry a handgun without a permit. Violators can be fined up to $500 and face possible imprisonment, but the bill would only fine violators $250 on the first offense. A second amendment will allow officers to confiscate the ammunition of an offender, but not necessarily take the gun. (Source) Tennessee has one of the highest gun ownership rates among the 50 states -- about 40%, maybe more -- and one doesn't need a permit to buy one in TN. So my rhetorical questions are these: Where were all the gun-toters in TN? Apparently not one of them was in the vicinity of the Waffle House in Antioch, TN and willing to use his/her firearm when Reinking got to shooting, hugh? Why was nary a one of them around and willing to use it to stop Reinking? Why did no "packing" guy rush the gunman and shoot him? Gun rights folks constantly claim civilians need guns for defensive purposes. Then when a situation comes about, not one gun carrying person pulls their gun and uses it....not to shoot a gunman, not to lay down covering fire so someone else can shoot or rush an active shooter. Hell, they won't even blindly throw random objects in the general direction of the shooter as a distraction. Brave talk about how one intends to use their guns is not the same as actually using it to defend something or someone. FL Orlando, FL Parkland, FL high school Ocala, FL Las Vegas, NV TN 2018 School shootings Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Mass Shootings -- Jan. 2014 to Mark 2017 -- Includes deaths and injuries Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Pick a shooting incident... I don't recall but one, I think, in which anyone (any potential victim or actual observer) with a gun used it to deter/defeat an active shooter. It'd be one thing if it were so that consistently frequently, even just "pretty often," gun carrying civilians thwart or interdict shooters, but while one or two here and there may do, with some 300M+ guns in the U.S. one'd think that it'd happen far more often, at least 1/3rd as often as it is that folks get shot! None of the major networks (cable or OTA) report that being "a thing" gun owners do. It'd be one thing if -- in the wake of all that bluster about needing guns, open carry, concealed carry, permitless carry, access to semi-automatic firearms, whatever, because it deters violence and facilitates defense, interdiction, and/or protection -- some of those gun-toters, particularly in "red" states, actually used their firearms to that end when a "bad guy with a gun" is firing it at people. I don't care what kind of "carry" laws there are. There's no point at all to being able to "carry" in any way, shape or form if one's going to leave the gun at home. What the hell, perhaps one's child can get hold of it and shoot themselves or the babysitter. There's no point at all to being able to "carry" in any way, shape or form if one's going to leave the gun in the car so someone break into the car, steal it, and shoot someone, maybe even the gun owner, with it. I'm sorry, but at the end of the day, the "protect and defend" argument is emptier than a winter rain barrel! Seems to me gun rights advocates use their mouths to defend their guns and their access to guns far more than they use guns to defend human life.