Correspondences between Krishna's and Jesus' life and mission

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  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Correspondences between events in Jesus' and Krishna's life:


    "Author Kersey Graves (1813-1883), a Quaker from Indiana, compared
    Yeshua's and Krishna's life. He found what he believed were 346 elements
    in common within Christiana and Hindu writings. 1 That appears to be
    overwhelming evidence that incidents in Jesus' life were copied from
    Krishna's. However, many of Graves' points of similarity are a real
    stretch.


    He did report some amazing coincidences:


    45: Yeshua and Krishna were called both a God and the Son of God.


    Both was sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man.


    46: Both were called Savior, and the second person of the Trinity.


    13, 15, 16 & 23: His adoptive human father was a carpenter.


    18: A spirit or ghost was their actual father.


    21: Krishna and Jesus were of royal descent.


    27 & 28: Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by
    a star.


    30 to 34: Angels in both cases issued a warning that the local dictator
    planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his assassination.
    The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea; Krishna's parents
    stayed in Mathura.


    41 & 42: Both Yeshua and Krishna withdrew to the wilderness as adults,
    and fasted.


    56: Both were identified as "the seed of the woman bruising the
    serpent's head."


    58: Jesus was called "the lion of the tribe of Judah." Krishna was
    called "the lion of the tribe of Saki."


    60: Both claimed: "I am the Resurrection."


    64: Both referred to themselves having existed before their birth on
    earth.


    66: Both were "without sin."


    72: Both were god-men: being considered both human and divine.


    76, 77, & 78: They were both considered omniscient, omnipotent, and
    omnipresent.


    83, 84, & 85: Both performed many miracles, including the healing of
    disease. One of the first miracles that both performed was to make a
    leper whole. Each cured "all manner of diseases."


    86 & 87: Both cast out indwelling demons, and raised the dead.


    101: Both selected disciples to spread his teachings.


    109 to 112: Both were meek, and merciful. Both were criticized for
    associating with sinners.


    115: Both encountered a Gentile woman at a well.


    121 to 127: Both celebrated a last supper. Both forgave his enemies.


    128 to 131: Both descended into Hell, and were resurrected. Many people
    witnessed their ascensions into heaven.


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    Errors in Graves' book:


    Due either to carelessness, or the primitive knowledge of religious
    history in the late 19th century, it appears that Graves made some
    errors in his book. He reported that:


    Both Krishna and Yeshua were born on December 25.

    Actually, Krishna is traditionally believed to have been born during
    August. The festival Janmashtami is held in honor of this birth.


    The birth day of Jesus is unknown, but is believed by many to have also
    been about August during some year between 4 and 7 BCE.


    December 25th was chosen for Christmas to coincide with a pre-existent
    Pagan Roman holiday, Saturnalia. December 25th was also recognized in
    ancient times as the birth day of various other god-men such as Attis
    and Mithra. All were linked to the winter solstice, which occurs about
    DEC-21.


    Jesus' and Krishna's mothers were holy virgins:


    Actually, the virginal state of Mary when she conceived Jesus is a
    matter of debate. Paul and the author(s) of the Gospel of John appear to
    directly reject the concept. The author of the Gospel of Mark appears to
    have been unaware of it. The authors of Matthew and Luke accepted the
    belief. Christians today are divided.


    The virginal state of Devaki is also a matter of debate. One tradition
    states that Krishna was her eighth child. Another states that it was a
    virgin birth: "In the context of myth and religion, the virgin birth is
    applied to any miraculous conception and birth. In this sense, whether
    the mother is technically a virgin is of secondary importance to the
    fact that she conceives and gives birth by some means other than the
    ordinary....the divine Vishnu himself descended into the womb of Devaki
    and was born as her son Krishna." 11


    Jesus' and Krishna's mothers had similar names: Miriam (Mary) and Maia

    In reality, Krishna's mother may have been referred to as Maia, but only
    because this is the Hindi word for "mother." His mother's actual name
    was Devaki; his foster mother's name was Yashoda.


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    Points of similarity found by other writers:

    In addition, there are other points of similarity between Krishna and
    Yeshua:


    "The object of Krishna's birth was to bring about a victory of good over
    evil."


    "Krishna "came onto earth to cleanse the sins of the human beings."


    "Krishna was born while his foster-father Nanda was in the city to pay
    his tax to the king." 3 Yeshua was born while his foster-father, Joseph,
    was in the city to be enumerated in a census so that "all the world
    could be taxed."


    Jesus is recorded as saying:
    "if you had faith as a mustard seed you would say to the mountain uproot
    yourself and be cast into the ocean" Krishna is reported as having
    uprooted a small mountain.


    Krishna's "...foster-father Nanda had to journey to Mathura to pay his
    taxes" just as Jesus foster-father Joseph is recorded in the Gospel of
    Luke as having to go to Bethlehem to pay taxes.


    "The story about the birth of Elizabeth's son John (the Baptist), cousin
    of Jesus, corresponds with the story in the Krishna myth about the birth
    of the child of Nanda and his wife Yasoda." 10 Nanda was the
    foster-father of Krishna.bulletThe Greek God Dionysos, Jesus and Krishna
    were all said to have been placed in a manger basket after birth.


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    Were Krishna and Yeshua both crucified and later raised to heaven?


    In addition to the above points of correspondence between Yeshua and
    Krishna, there may be one more similarity: they may have both been
    crucified.


    In his book, Graves stated flatly that both Yeshua and Krishna were
    crucified between two thieves, at the age of about 30 to 36 by "wicked
    hands." However, this may have been wishful thinking. The "common,
    orthodox depiction of Krishna's death relates that he was shot in the
    foot with an arrow while under a tree." 5 But:
    The author Jacolliot, referring to the "Bagaveda-Gita and Brahminical
    traditions," states that the body of Krishna: "was suspended to the
    branches of a tree by his murderer, that it might become the prey of the
    vultures...[Later] the mortal frame of the Redeemer had disappeared--no
    doubt it had regained the celestial abodes..." . Guigniaut's Religion
    de l'Antiquité, which states: "The death of Crishna is very
    differently related. One remarkable and convincing tradition makes him
    perish on a tree, to which he was nailed by the stroke of an arrow."


    There are other references to Krishna being crucified, and being shown
    with holes in his feet, hands and side.
    In the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) Yeshua's crucifixion on a
    cross or stake is often referred to as being "hung on a tree:"


    Acts 5:30: "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus...hanging him on a
    tree.


    Acts 10:39: "...hanging him on a tree."


    Acts 13:29: "...they took him down from the tree..."


    Galatians 3:13: "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having
    become a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one that
    hangeth on a tree."

    1 Peter 2:24: "...who his own self bare our sins in his body upon the
    tree..." (All ASV)


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    Correspondences between Hinduism and some branches of Christianity:


    At least some branches of Christianity share the following beliefs with
    Hinduism:


    A future reward in heaven or punishment in Hell.

    Hinduism and Catholicism share the concept of Purgatory.


    A day of judgment.


    A general resurrection.


    The need for repentance for sin.


    Salvation requires faith in the Savior.


    A belief in angels and of evil spirits.


    A belief that disease and sickness is caused by evil spirits.


    A past war in heaven between good and bad angels.


    Free will.


    God is considered the "Word of Logos."


    Their religious texts talk of "the blind leading the blind," "a new
    heaven and a new earth, "living water," "all scripture is given by
    inspiration of God," "all scripture is profitable for doctrine," "to die
    is great gain," etc.


    Fasting.


    Being born again.


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    Other points of similarity between Hinduism and Christianity:


    Symbols: The trident -- traditionally carried by the Hindu God-Goddess
    Shiva, is somewhat similar to the Christian cross. Adding a vertical
    horn at both ends of the horizontal bar of a cross will convert it
    into a trident with three prongs. This actually was done to a Christian
    cross erected by a Baptist community of 1,200 in Ranalia, India. For
    decades, the Baptists had annually whitewashed a cross symbol on a large
    rock in a hill above the town. In early 1999, someone added two horns,
    turning the cross into a trident. When the smoke cleared (literally)
    more than 150 mud huts owned by Christians had been gutted by arson.
    Some named the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party as perpetrators.

    However, that was denied by the local head of the party. This is a very
    unusual event, because Hindus in India are known for their unusually
    high level of religious tolerance. Many Hindus believe that all
    religions can lead their members to God.


    The role of water: Most Christians baptize either mature members or
    infants in the congregation. Sometime this is done by total immersion in
    water; sometimes by sprinkling water over the individual's head. In the
    Roman Catholic Church, baptism is a sacrament that washes away the
    person's original sin. Immersion in water by Hindus is also an important
    ritual. "Water in Hinduism has a special place because it is believed to
    have spiritually cleansing powers...In the sacred water distinctions of
    caste are supposed to count for nothing, as all sins fall away...Every
    temple has a pond near it and devotees are supposed to take a bath
    before entering the temple."---http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jckr1.htm
     
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  3. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

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    Useless article. Dismissed.
     
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  5. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    Carl Jung would explain this parallel as being connected to the archetypes of the collective unconscious. These are the personality firmware of the human brain, which underlies human nature; collective human propensities. Since we are all human, and therefore have the same genetic based personality firmware, unconscious projection would be the similar and could occur independently. A baby from any human culture will develop the same way since it is being led by the natural firmware.

    One thing Christ added that was different was being killed by humans. God becomes man and man kills god. Christ goes into Hades and releases the souls of those trapped, while judging Satan, who changes from good/evil into the Devil who is only evil. The killing of the son of God to protect power was good and evil, but after that with Satan now the Devil, it would only be evil; 20/20 hindsight.

    Since you can't keep a god good down, Christ is resurrected from the dead and then returns to God. This opens a conduit between God and man, called the Holy Spirit where humans gain a communication line to God; ye are gods. Man becomes god.

    The archetypes will build upon traditions while adding an addendum for the future. This symbolism was all connected to the shift in human consciousness (conscious mind) from right brained to left brained. The right brain integrates while the left brain differentiates. The left brain differentiated the human ego, while receiving unconscious assistance from the spatial right brain. The dogma of the old traditions come into question because consciousness can now differentiate. The ancient age ends.
     
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  7. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Magical Realist,

    ..is there a particular reason why you cannot get the information of these two characters from their own words, why
    you have to go to another source?

    Wouldn't it be better to quote them, then use other sources to ascertain who and what they are, if you aren't satisfied?

    Just a thought.

    jan.
     
  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I'm satisfied with the information as presented.
     
  9. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Why are you satisfied with it?
    Or, what is satisfying about it?

    jan.
     
  10. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Some of these similarities between the Krishna stories and the Bible might just be artifacts resulting from the poor translations that Graves probably used. (It's hard to tell, because we haven't been given any of the source references for this stuff.)

    One of the things that immediately strikes contemporary scholarly readers of early 19'th century English translations of Indian religious literature, is the early translators' common practice of translating Indian religious vocabulary into Christian religious wording taken from the King James Bible. By the later 19th century, it was recognized that Indian and Christian words and concepts aren't simply equivalent and can't be translated into one another one-to-one.
     
  11. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    What point would you like to make with these comparisons?
     
  12. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

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    Kersey Graves [may he remain there], and Jocolliot are given credence by either those who know nothing about Hinduism and Krishna or with sinister agendas to downgrade Krishna. Both of these worthies did belong to first caregory and maybe to the second too.

    In short, whole of the discussion is puerile.
     
  13. rcscwc Registered Senior Member

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    Why?? Maybe his band wagon would get upset.

    Satisfied with BS, you mean? Because there is nothing but BS as far as Krishna is concerned.
     

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