Corona Virus 2019-nCoV

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Quantum Quack, Jan 29, 2020.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No. I think the media is giving people what they want (terrifying stories of mass deaths and overcrowded hospitals) and they in turn are demanding more and more action; the government is thus spending more time on medical theater than on actually working on the issue. And that just compounds the problem, because people see the theater and get scared.
    Sure.

    "Hey Australia! Cool it with the overreaction! Travel bans don't really work."

    There. That should straighten things right out.
     
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  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    You are rambling. Try to get a grip.
     
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  5. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I don't watch videos on discussion forums. What does it say?
     
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  7. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Study of 72,000 COVID-19 patients finds 2.3% death rate
    http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/study-72000-covid-19-patients-finds-23-death-rate

    The average EVD (Ebola virus disease) case fatality rate is around 50%. Case fatality rates have varied from 25% to 90% in past outbreaks.
    https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/ebola-virus-disease
    Where are you getting your rates for comparison?
     
  8. Bells Staff Member

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    You are simply just overreacting (yet again) and even alluding to conspiracy theories as a result (yet again).

    People just overreact in general. Take yourself as a prime example.

    They are implementing plans. You are taking that and running screaming like the end of the world is nigh.

    They are implementing plans after their experiences with previous coronavirus outbreaks in the past in Australia and flu outbreaks in the years gone by. It's to make sure they have enough staff and equipment on standby should the need arise.

    An analogy would be the recent Brisbane floods. The city was shut down, people evacuated early, when we knew the Brisbane River was going to flood and inundate the city. We prepared early, to allow for a quicker recovery time afterwards and to reduce risk to those who live in areas that are prone to flooding.

    You are literally panicking. And in doing so, you are spreading false information, conspiracies and general fear for no reason whatsoever. Please calm down.

    For the love of all that is holy, calm down.

    You are going to do yourself more harm than this virus could do to you at this rate.
     
  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    ok... no problemo...

    Time will tell. est 2 weeks.
     
  10. Bells Staff Member

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    Especially when one considers the types of travel bans...

    China and now Iran..

    But nothing for Italy - which has more confirmed cases compared to Iran. Same goes for Japan and South Korea, as another prime example.

    These travel bans seem to be very very selective.. Particularly the countries of origin.

    It's not the zombie apocalypse.
     
  11. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    There may be some discriminatory motives at play here, but there are some very legitimate reasons to single out Iran and China. Both of those countries have particularly repressive governments which have a history of reacting poorly to crises and have made the current crisis much worse by repressing the spread of information and even outright denying the threat. Both of those countries also have substandard healthcare systems unfit to handle the situation, so it seems wise for precautions to be taken with their travellers.
     
  12. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    According to Dutton its because of the lack of adequate reporting standards and a lack of transparency if I am not mistaken.
     
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  13. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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  14. Bells Staff Member

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    Given this Government, there are definitely discriminatory motives when it comes to the travel ban for Iran.

    The Morrison government will put a travel ban on people coming from Iran from Sunday due to the country's "high death rate" from coronavirus as it tries to stem the flow of the disease into Australia.

    But Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy played down the likelihood of more bans for other countries, explaining "it's not possible to further isolate Australia", and that the focus should be on detection and containment instead.
     
  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Given the situation in Italy, I am wondering why there is no Australian travel ban on Italy, similar to the ones imposed on China and Iran.
     
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you think that?
     
  17. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    What do you think comparing CFRs is going to tell you about how many people it will kill?
    For example, sporadic CJD has a CFR of 100% - it is invariably fatal. Yet only 90 people in the UK died from it in 2014 (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/creutzfeldt-jakob-disease-cjd/).
     
  18. LaurieAG Registered Senior Member

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  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Unlikely. The math says otherwise.

    That is, when it declines it won't keep declining - the busts as well as the booms will be temporary. It's too contagious, not lethal enough to burn out in pockets like Ebola, and has lots of dense population centers to invade yet (most of the US is still open, for example, mobile and incompetently governed - a free fire zone for something like this).

    More likely it will become globally endemic, either by becoming less lethal or by becoming less symptomatic in carriers, and vanish only upon being put down by some kind of global vaccine/immunization operation (like measles or smallpox).
     
  20. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I feel you are correct, that global transmission is inevitable but much can be achieved by ensuring it's global spread is as slow as possible, allowing medical facilities to keep up with demand better and allow a vaccine to be produced ( est. by some to be between 12 -18 months away) and made available for distribution.
     
  21. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Pertinent notes:
    • The virus persist after recovery for about 2 weeks. Recovered patients are encouraged to self isolate for 14 days after recovery. ( Contagion in a recovered patient is considered very low but may be achieved with intimate contact)
    • Reinfection has not been ruled out.
    • The virus remains active for about 48 hours on surfaces.
    • There are many critical knowledge areas that are unknown at this stage.

    https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-spread-after-recovery.html

    Another good article worth having a look at can be found:
    https://ama.com.au/article/update-novel-coronavirus-covid-19


    Cases outside China grew by 18.21% in last 24 hours. ( WHO report 2020-03-02)
    Most of which has occurred in
    • South Korea 4212 (476)
    • Italy 1689(561)
    • Iran 978 (385)

    Notes:
    Iran appears to be reporting better. Has received vital assistance from the USA ( radio reports claim)
     
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  22. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    Anyone got any knowledge on whether gargling with warm salt water is beneficial for this virus ? I have read that it is helpful for all viruses in shortening the duration of the illness.

    Would that imply a lessening of mortality rates,?

    Apparently it may be the chlorine that is "active ingedient" and seemingly it may dehydrate the region ,flushing out the virus.

    Is there much science in this,does anyone know?( Not my explation ,I have no knowledge except that I have always done this )
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Aussie Winter and flu season just around the corner: Get your flu vaccine shots and practise reasonable hygiene and things should be OK.With travel bands etc, it is far better to be safe then sorry and take all necessary precautions until more is known about this thing and/or a vaccine is developed.
     
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