Contractions

Discussion in 'Linguistics' started by Orleander, May 28, 2009.

  1. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Is there such a thing as a 3 word contraction, like could not have = couldn't've?
     
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  3. takandjive Killer Queen Registered Senior Member

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    In informal English like dialects, yes. If you read Flannery O'Connor or other southern literature, it'll show up.
     
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  5. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    is it proper?
     
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  7. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    Agreed, I know a lot of people who say couldn't've.
     
  8. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    Wouldn't've thought so.
     
  9. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    see!!! There's another one!
    LOL, show-off
     
  10. takandjive Killer Queen Registered Senior Member

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    Double contractions are considered improper. Then again, look at regional dialects. I think they're perfectly valid for educated people to use in casual situations.
     
  11. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Couldn't've/ wouldn't've/ shouldn't've spring to mind.
    Of course, in some parts of England at least, they get shortened even further:
    (as far as pronunciation goes anyway) cun't've/ wun't've/ shun't've.
     
  12. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    I've heard won't've before, but I'm not sure how you get that in a sentence that actually makes grammatical sense.
     
  13. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Damn, I knew there was at least one more.

    Won't've being a contraction of what?
    Will not have?
    I won't've finished eating my tea if you come round before six, make it half six and I'll be ready.
     
  14. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    I'm sure there's another. What about might'n't've? Did I even punctuate that correctly? I need to ditch my chavvy friends.

    Ah that seems to work, every time I tried to think of a sentence for it I found wouldn't've to be more gramatically correct, although given what we're discussing I probably shouldn't have concerned myself with something so trivial!
     
  15. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I think you meant shouldn't've

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  16. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    I try to talk proper, innit.

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    Wait technically is that a 3 word contraction? Innit derived from isn't it.
     
  17. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    That'd count too.
    I have heard ought'n't've but not very often.
     
  18. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    Yep that's a good one too. Any thoughts on innit? Apart from the obvious being that I require better company.
     
  19. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Strangely enough, the only times I've heard "innit" (the Chav version) is from people doing it as a piss-take.
    Phrases such as "That's a big 'un innit?" don't count.
     
  20. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    Is it not considered a 3 word contraction though? Albeit an absolutely non-sensical and disgraceful one as far as real grammar is concerned I think it is, to some degree. It's in common usage as well.
     
  21. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Is it a 3 word contraction, or a 2 word merged/ slurred with a 3rd?
    Just to be picky of course: but the "it" is fully there.
    Mind you I always got stick in the office for saying "Is it not?" rather than "isn't it?" so who am I to talk?

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  22. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    Well it's a good point, the etymology of it is certainly from a 3 word contraction but does it count, hmm. Do contractions have to contain the whole's of all the words they're formed from? Technically you have the I from "is" the N from "N't" and the it on the end. Obviously the spelling has evolved a second N but I could see a case being made either way here.

    I'd rather it was just banned though.

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