Consciousness.

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And that makes a difference? Extinct is extinct, by natural selection.

    How many species of humans are extinct?

    https://www.livescience.com/how-many-human-species.html
    Actually robots are a tool made by a tool-maker species.

    Does that make us gods ? Maybe to the robots. We are the "Maker" (VGER)
     
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  3. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Prehistoric hominids, six (+ a probable two assimilated into H. sapiens) ; modern humans, zero.
    Of the prehistoric hominids that have become extinct, how many were killed by other hominids, how many hunted by other species? Far from being "vulnerable", our direct ancestors have always been the most dangerous species on this planet. (That whole "poor soft little human" sounds like the battle whine of the Republicans.)
    Just as the gods of Sumer made mankind.
    That's what I said! Though, of course, not you or me; more likely
    Joseph Engelberge, George Devol, Marvin Minsky... and Isaac Asimov, the prophet.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    We did not become dangerous until after the chromosome fusion. That is when homo sapiens split from the common ancestor. All 8 extinct species had the mutated chromosome. And if they killed each other that made humans only dangerous to other humans. And I am not disagreeing that today, with all their tools, the human species are not only dangerous to other life but to itself. We have become an "invasive parasite that kills its host".
    Yeah, I'm not into mythology for truths.
    Lol, you look controversy even when in agreement, don't you?

    p.s. you left out Heinlein, "Stranger in a Strange Land", and Arthur Clarke "2001: A Space Odyssey"
     
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  7. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Not so. Hominids, and indeed, their most proximal predecessors, have all been more dangerous to other animals than they were endangered by other animals. Certainly, the big brain was a contributing factor, as was an omnivorous diet, which made the hominids particularly adaptable to a variety of environments, food sources and terrains. But even the earliest carnivorous hominids often had to migrate - not because they were hunted, but because they had overhunted and overexploited their territory.
    No, see, they were were, and are, dangerous to everything, even their own kind - which most other predators are not.
    We always have been. Never the vulnerable creature. It took a mere 30,000 years for this one species to go from thriving to unsustainable overpopulation and planet-annhiliation. The dinosaurs managed to stay in balance with their environment for 170,000,000 years, and even then, didn't bring about their own destruction.
    Mythology is where the notion of intelligent design of humans originates. The robots will have a solid factual foundation for what they believe - and probably won't massacre one another over disagreements of faith.
    And two hundred other people I might have listed. I just figure AI would be more inclined to deify the engineers and software pioneers who actually created it than people who wrote about it. But you never know what religion turns into over time.
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Well, we definitely agree on one thing, today humans are the most dangerous animal on earth, in several ways.
    Not science, AFAIK.
     
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  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    IMO, that is somewhat overstated.

    The Top Ten Deadliest Animals of Our Evolutionary Past
    Humans may be near the top of the food chain now, but who were our ancestors’ biggest predators?

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    One of the most famous hominid fossils is the skull of a 3-year-old child found in Taung, South Africa. The child lived about three million to two million years ago. The skull has holes punched into its eye sockets; they were made by the talons of a large bird akin to an African crowned eagle. (AFP / Getty Images)
    ....more

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...st-animals-of-our-evolutionary-past-18257965/
     
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    You have percentages? How many other predators took out what percent of the human population and how many humans took out what percent of the other species?
    You are 100% correct. Religion is not science.
     
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    Before we got weapons humans were very vulnerable to predators. We used to live in trees. Now, there is no question who rules. We have tanks if necessary. And the A-bomb in case we get sick of it all.
    This turned into a productive exchange after all..

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    I am not aware of H. sapiens ever having been arboreal. Our recent hominid ancestors weren’t either. If we go further back along our evolutionary lineage then, yes, some of our ancestors lived in trees and were very vulnerable to predators. But they're weren't humans.
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I made no such claim.
    No, but they were hominids, to be exact.
    Hominidae
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae#

    If you will note, I stated that before humans (hominids) acquired weapons they lived in trees. There is good evidence that Australopithecus spent the nights in trees for safety, and hunted on the ground by day. They were human albeit not Homo Sapiens and indeed became extinct. Maybe a lack of heavy weapons?
     
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    Early Humans Climbed Down from Trees Gradually
    By Charles Q. Choi September 08, 2015
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    https://www.livescience.com/52110-chimpanzee-human-shoulder-evolution.html
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    This may shed some light on human evolutionary background;
     
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    Did you try bird feeding and watching?
     
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    I’m about to collapse
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    So is the US.

    See the video @ 6:25 Totalitarianism!
    and @ 11:30 Faux News
     
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