Consciousness after "death"

and if we had cellular decay and mineral balances down to an exact science we could theoretically piece together the broken and missing information of an "unconscious/dead" person.

We don't but we could. still it is within the realms of possibilities.

 

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Again, incorrect.
Materials science and chemistry are advanced enough at this point for us to be able to determine that 'information' stored in such a manner is irrevocably damaged after the process of death.

We're not talking about possibility here, we're talking about reality.

Please join the real discussion, and refrain from pseudo-science hypothesizing...

 

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Don't take me as some ignorant fool who doesn't know possibility implies reality. I've seen a friend in a coma. Suffering pneumonia, acute respiratory failure, global strokes, sepsis and swelling while consciousness was completely lost and brain damage was "supposed" to have occurred. Did it? I don't know. An already suicidal girl who fought through all this after she was molested by her stepfather. Brian death was the most likely outcome, but she could not have truly been suicidal to fight so hard for her life. What did she respond to? Not her mother, not her father, but someone she loved. Woke from touch first. Then days later he noticed she could see by the way her eyes followed him around the room. The same wide eyed pupils that follow hallucinations.

It doesn't always take death to remove consciousness, but the fact it has been removed means it exists elsewhere in one way or another. If not recorded in someone else's mind, recorded into the universe itself!!

 

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You say this.

and then post this:

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No it doesn't; totally fallacious.

Utter nonsense.

 

Oh yes, I nearly forgot:

Terry Pratchett, Eric.

 

This is where "science" departs from philosophy. Changed forms means still technically "there" somewhere in the universe, despite how. So what if we haven't perfectly identified consciousness and quantified "it", though I gave a thought that might solve that problem. We still know it exists.

If a tree falls in the forest, does not every bit of it replenish the earth in some way.

The fact still remains. I see more information being created, and no thoughts truly destroyed. It is better to assume we loose nothing in death, than imply that which we have is taken away.

 

So what? You're doing neither, just speculating wildly.

No.

False.

What "fact"?

Then you're wrong.

Why is it "better"? Because you feel happier that way?

 

Nope. The thought of you picking out every detail with the exception of the one pertaining to the future makes me happy, but this "information loss" has got to stop.

 

Hardly a response to Dywyddyr's criticisms.

We'll await your proper response.

 

You haven't provided any information.
If you mean this:

It was left out because it's a non-sequitur.

 

death of tree not making a sound... death of man leaving no memories...

but, that's twice in a really short paragraph that my memory has evaded your already doubtful eyes. In english, no that wasn't what I was referring to.

 

Huh? You're making no sense.

Another non-sequitur.
So what?

 

Again with the non-response.

sigh...


Mod Note;

NH,

You are formally required to respond to criticisms that are leveled at you.
You have 24 hours to respond to Dywyddyr's post #208.
Failure to do so appropriately will result in a Temp Ban.

Think.

 

Now and Zen…

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2721818&postcount=1504

 

I'm personally under the assumption that consciousness would still exist after death, because I'm also under the assumption that the universe holds a much better better following of information and consciousness than man has yet made.

No spirits, no woo-wooish, just following electrical signals or where they end up when they stop. There also was a show that had a kid who was reincarnated from an american pilot in WWII. He started off having nightmares at an early age where they later found he was dreaming about the plane crash. He even found a special picture from the pilots grandmothers house only the pilot would have known about.

 

But you persist in stating it as fact. And fail to give any support.

When they stop they stop. Consciousness is the flow itself, the pattern, not the electrons that make it up.
So you are being woo woo.

Yep, another TV special where they tell you the bits that support the contention (or even exaggerate them) and leave out the parts that don't support the nonsense.
There is no evidence for survival of after death, especially that of consciousness on its own. And none for reincarnation.

 

I hope you don't think that this response suffices...

You are required to respond to all criticisms, not selectively opt.


tick tock, tick tock..

 

what was I missing from the clock?

You add it to an MRI shine a light through it and detect every moving action down to milli of a milliseconds concurrently with more than microscopic precision.

or what did I miss I'm a little confused.

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Post 214... the bit in red.