If you asked 100 people on this site what communism meant, you would probably get a comment about Lennin, Stalin, the evils of communism, China, the USSR or Soviet Russia. Perhaps something about an all controlling dictator commiting genocide blah blah. Some will give the whole "it sounds great but would never work in practice." Well how many people have taken a step back and looked at how many different kinds of communism there is. Communism doesnt just have to fall in line with Marxism or Lenninism. A matter of fact, it mostly pushes away from all of the common misconceptions. Communism is also NOT A TYPE OF GOVERNMENT. It is indeed, an econamic system. And as all econamic systems it can be run along side with many different types of government. Whether that government be fascist, democractic or anarchic can greatly affect the sucsess of communism however. I am in support of a system known as Anarcho-Communism (AKA Direct Democracy Communism, Free Communism, Anarchist Communism ect.) I desise using wiki but here is there opening statement on Anarcho-Communism: is a theory of anarchism which advocates the abolition of the state, private property, and capitalism in favor of common ownership of the means of production,[1][2] direct democracy and a horizontal network of voluntary associations and workers' councils with production and consumption based on the guiding principle: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". So I encourage every capitalist, socialist, statiest communist to take a second look at communism.
Many of us HAVE taken a look at it - and we all pronounce it to be stupid! It's doomed to failure before it even starts. Why? Because it fails to take into account the human element. Humans have such attributes as greed, jealousy, laziness and other negatives which make it impossible for such a system to function. If we were all mindless robots (like the people who champion such a silly notion) then it would work fine. Everyone would do their fair share of work and not try to take advantage of anyone else nor try to rise to some level of dominance. So... if you can figure out a way to breed (or otherwise) these traits out of the population, you might have a chance. Until then, it's just a rather dumb pipe dream that can never come true.:shrug:
That failed in Russia as now Russia has become a democracy as well as China which has adopted many capitalistic ways in its dealings with the rest of the world and is letting its citizens choose jobs, buy new cars and services they never had a chance to do under communism.
True. In fact the ONLY places it works on the face of the whole Earth is in instances as is found in ants, honeybees and other social insects. People who advocate this junk are only the very young who have NO idea how humans really work. We're not mindless robots (as I said before) nor insects that blindly follow instincts.
Stupid? All men and women living equally and freely without the restraints of capital, tyranny, or big buisness? Yeah. Sure. Once again, just by your response its easy to see you havent really studied the ideals of communists. You just gave another sterotypical answer. At least come up with a full and logical argument
Did you even read the OP? Russia and China ran under (barely) state-communism. A system bound to fail and cause extreamly negative results. Both always had more socialist or even boarder line capitalist ways, both with a hierarchtic state.
Funny, since all of my readings on anarchist communism come from people like Emma Goldman, Noam Chonisky and the likewise. Both adopted their belifes much later in life, and a lot of the authors of my reading are experts and educated in human interactions and nature.
It failed, in my opinion, because those in charge were corrupt and only helped themselves to whatever wealth they could find. That is why changing leadership every so often is a better way to insure that no one group gets to corrupt for to long. I'm now convinced however that even democracy is just as corrupt only more people are getting the wealth. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I have some of the same feelings . A Meritocracy type of system where monetary gain is not included . Take away financial systems and replace it with things like you are talking. The trick would be to come up with a system that does not strip away incentive to produce. This would mean changing mind sets of the individual and as you know that is a monumental task all by it self. The need for more in the human soul is what I call a hoarding instinct left over from hunting and gathering cultures and is very hard to root out of human thought process. Natural instinct dictates the feeling we all have in this respect. That yearning that burns inside that tells us we want more yet that more does not satisfy so to compensate we want more. These things will have to be addressed before meritocracy will work for the power hungry will rise to the top and abuse the system and make us all the same slaves we are today . The Egyptians answer is hang em, I don't think this will do the trick either for there is a snake behind every bush. Changing Mind Sets is our best option . To create a desire to contribute not because it is our responsibility , but because it is fun and the satisfaction is in getting to contribute. Like a team in a sports event. The team works together to grab the brass ring so as to have the bragging rights of being the best. Money clouds the very thought of the team spirit as we see in pro sports today . Good thinking post starter . I am glad to see you are using your critical thinking brain to advance human kind. I am a Republican until the change in mind sets come , but my heart is with community as a whole . You can call Me a communist . Now there is a paradox for you
Me too and not by formal schooling but by being a builder and seeing first hand the dirty laundry of the common people in the world and I also am lucky enough to live in the natural setting of Montana. I love Nature and Nature Loves Me. BlllLLEZZZZZ. tOO YOUR FACE WITH my tongue hanging out
What are you talking about .You are a mindless robot . You follow the leader unless you are the leader. Humans Copy Humans . Get over it. How else do you think you know how to tie your shoe . Monkeys are more free than you. It is what separates us from them . Our ability to pass on information to our children and by this they copy. You are a culmination of thousands of generations of being a mindless robot, but every once and a while a rebel is brave enough to jump up and say wait a minute I believe there is a better way and if the robotic herd mentality crucifiers don't get em and it is proven true by peers " Wa La we find a new direction that might even advance humanity as a whole
Like Stalin or Mao did for their people? They both murdered over 70 milliuon people that didn't want to "follow directions" from the leadership of the communist party. Nice way to establish a government just murder everyone that doesn't agree. That's not what I'd like to have in control. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
And at present, the government Mao created is feeding it's people to a degree never before imagined in the days of the emperors.
But it wasn't he who actually got the government there to do as they are doing today. Those in charge are showing him respect, somewhat, but in the way they are giving the people greater opportunities by allowing private ownership and being able to buy things never before allowed.
i find it amazingly narrow-minded in how people can only think of solutions based on what was before. they can't possibly conceive a different formula or a new creative formula. even the idea is unbelievable to them. we're not talking about perfection here but a workable system. communism HAS to end in failure to them and it has to be a dictatorship and it must end in th death of millions. this is their belief, that is what communism is. why? because that is how it happened before. they think it can't be combined or tweaked in a new way. it can, when and if people are ready for it to. this is really no different than those who would scoff at the idea of relative democracy or freedom. i bet way back in history, the idea would have been looked on as impossible by many or even laughed at. or how about this, women having rights. they would have thought you crazy. why? because they've never experienced it. with such a defeatist and impossible attitude, why would anyone try or even think up a possible solution than the current status quo?
But the revolutionaries are never in control in perpetuity. Everyone's communism is different, adapted to their time and place.
Do you know how to read? Go back and read my posts . La di Da di Da . Mind sets are hard to crack open. That is the reason I am not a communist. I am a republican until you all change your hoarding instincts
Community . Simple Idea!!! WE live on earth together !! More simple ideas. We work and play together. Are you all naysayers Getting the picture yet. WE are a community called Human Beings
Yes. it failed because of those who were IN CHARGE. In anarcho-communism we elimante that little flaw.
I agree with most of your posts. However i must throw out there that in our current society, mind sets wont change. As long as hierarchy and capitalism are the ruiling parties, human nature (which is largely affect by its enviorment) will naturaly learn towards being greedy and selfish. We cant expect the big change in human nature to come first. Saying that you support the Republicans is making a communistic and anarchic future more and more down the road. We must focus on change now, not later.
