colonising another planet or star

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by euphrosene, Dec 3, 2006.

  1. euphrosene Delusions of Divinity? Registered Senior Member

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    Stephen Hawking (apparently) thinks we should make moves to save the human species by colonising either another planet or a distant star. He apparently believes the human species will be wiped out sooner rather than later and this is our best way forward.

    Personally, I think the idea of being welcomed with open arms by other life forms is a tad arrogant. Most of us are fairly intolerant about economic migrants; surely we would be the same?

    As for preserving the human culture, maybe another star or dimension might have a better one?
     
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  3. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    Typical of that atheist to suggest to move away from planet Earth. As is known by everybody you can only go to heaven if you die on earth.
     
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  5. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Did he mention other life forms?
     
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  7. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Although I love Science Fiction, the more I think about it, the more I realize that it is probably bullshit that we'll ever get to another planet and colonize it. However, we should at least try, as eventually we have to consider where we're going to be in 10 or 20 thousand years.
     
  8. Meanwhile Banned Banned

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    Assuming such an extraordinary enterprise will be possible and people will pack their worldly goods and dump everything in cramped quarters, who do you think will make it on the passenger list? I'm guessing it'll be a short list. One page.
     
  9. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    The list will consist out of mostly fertile women and a few guys to donate sperm. As a backup because frozen sperm is taken along.
     
  10. Meanwhile Banned Banned

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    The less than 1 percent wealthiest will without a doubt have a vital say in this matter. They'll argue: viagra, clones, artificial semination. And in preparation for the event they would have already sent their sons and daughters to the finest schools (no longer affordable to the general public) for promising careers as doctors, engineers, architects, computer techs, etc.
     
  11. Meanwhile Banned Banned

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    Ah -- frozen sperm. Good one, Spurious.
     
  12. jumpercable 6EQUJ5 'WOW' Registered Senior Member

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    Which planet did have in mind? Mars? To colonize Mars would take another century or two. Travel to another star system would take centuries. I guess we better get started now before the Republications take over again.
     
  13. euphrosene Delusions of Divinity? Registered Senior Member

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    Not necessarily true.

    There is also 'limbo'. Maybe having to spend time on a distant planet might be someone's limbo?
     
  14. euphrosene Delusions of Divinity? Registered Senior Member

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    Not in the article I read, but he might well have done.
     
  15. euphrosene Delusions of Divinity? Registered Senior Member

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    According to one article I read, unless they were put into 'cold storage' (cryo-something) any astronauts would be dead by the time they got to anywhere suitable for human habitation.

    The suggestion was that DNA could be stored/sent and then built/rebuilt. However, whose DNA would be chosen was not mentioned!
     
  16. euphrosene Delusions of Divinity? Registered Senior Member

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    Mars was mentioned as being the 'easiest' to adapt to... but the view was that it would most likely be something out of our galaxy. Hence the distant planet or star...
     
  17. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    I emailed the vatican about this because I was not quite sure myself. However, they replied that only those who live on Earth can go to heaven. For hell you can live anywhere apparently.
     
  18. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    I think the basic idea has merit. Even if we don't destroy ourselves we will always be vulnerable to the vagaries of the universe. Our species and our civilization might very well barely survive an asteroid hit like the one which probably wiped out the dinosaurs. But there are bigger asteroids out there.

    As the Baron would be glad to point out, I have an unreasoned affection for civilization and its artifacts. Considering that banks have backup sites for such prosaic things as our credit accounts, I think we should certainly have a backup site for something as important as all human culture. It's hardly arrogant to think that other civilizations in the universe, assuming there are any, would be interested in learning about ours and might even appreciate some of our literature and other art. I'm sure most of us would feel that way about theirs.

    As for our "reception," I don't think that Stephen Hawking or any other responsible person is suggesting that we "colonize" a planet that already has intelligent life. It would certainly be wisest to pick one that has no life at all, so we don't repeat the catastrophes of the rabbits that ravage Australia and the House Sparrows that have taken over the entire Western Hemisphere--on a much larger scale.

    Regardless of all other concerns, our sun will eventually burn out, taking Earth with it. It's not too early to start thinking about how to deal with that.
     
  19. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    A book I mentioned to you earlier [minor spoiler alert: Pandora's Star] begins with the first manned mars landing interupted by a couple of guys who built a wormhole generator and were sitting there waiting for the astronauts!!!

    The mars mission was abandoned, and the galaxy was soon opened for exploration and colonization. The point is, who knows what technological breakthrus might occur. FTL, Wormholes, whatever. If no such breakthru ever occurs, colonization of space will be a slow business.

    My favorite story in this vein was a short story by Harry Turtledove. A fleet of ships is seen entering our solar system. They ignore all attempts at communication and land en mass in the US. Not knowing what to expect, the US military has the ships surrounded. The doors on the ships open, an army of aliens advances, raises their muskets, and fires. The US soldiers respond, utterly destroying the aliens. It turns out that FTL and antigravity are simple to achieve but that their discovery perverts the development of science. {that's why they didn't respond to our communications, they hadn't discovered radio!} Earth quickly figures out FTL, and goes on to conquor the galaxy with our ultra high tech electronics and weaponry.
     
  20. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    I've read or heard of the second story. -Quite- a funny one, I must add.
     
  21. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    All suns will burn out.
     
  22. Roman Banned Banned

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    We're about to wipe ourselves out.
    It'd be much cheaper to invest in fixing our problems than trying to flee. Flee to what? Barren rocks, incapable of supporting any life? Gee, that sounds like a great back up plan!
     
  23. jumpercable 6EQUJ5 'WOW' Registered Senior Member

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    Going to Mars and then colonizing it in the next 50 to one hundred years will not change anything here on Earth. We would just be bringing our dirty clothes to another planet to contaminate. I think it's important to limit the number of colonists that want to live there and just use Mars as a scientific base to do study and research, just like in Anartica.
     

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