Cold fusion reasearch should be conducted

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by Science Geek, Jun 1, 2001.

  1. Science Geek Registered Member

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    I think that the problems throughout Ca. and the rest of the world reguarding energy could be conquered by cold fusion. It has already been proven to work in electrolysis experamentation, and I think that particle exelerators could be a way to go. It may work in a similar way, as the positive and negetive particles collide they explode realesing energy. If the same acceloration was attempted on a smaller sized machine I believe that the particles could fuse and cause a similar type of energy. I know that it has never been proven that cold fusion exists, but on the other hand there is little evidence that says there isn't either. Many scientists of high accord have attempted to duplicate the experament, some were successful, others failed. Still there should be attempts to further research to find a definate answer.
     
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  3. fsbriggs Registered Member

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    damn govt.

    one major research group working on cold fusion right now claims that it has achieved it, but needs to build a larger machine to do it reliably. sadly, the government has dropped funding for the project, claiming that if they haven't succeded in 50 years, they never will.
     
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  5. Quanta Registered Member

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    Scientists may actually be probing into Zero Point energy. Zero point energy is energy that exists in free space due to quantum fluctuations out of nothing. There is enough Zero Point energy in a coffee cup to evaporate all the oceans on Earth. During one experiment where scientists claim to achieved cold fusion by compressing substances (I forget what it was). The reason why they probably achieved energy from doing this is because the substance was compressed so much that the electrons were forced to a lower energy level, releasing some of their energy (electrons are believed to absorb quantum fluctuations to keep their energy from being lost as they revolve around the nucleus). The electrolysis experiment is a mystery to me and may possibly be cold fusion. But if scientists attempting to achieve cold fusion actually probe into Zero Point energy, I think they should stick with that instead, for it is a source of unimaginable energy.
     
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  7. Turbine Registered Senior Member

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    And this leads to todays thought for the day. "What goes on in a lightning bugs butt ?"

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  8. knocker81 Registered Member

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    cold fusion that was said to work???

    Does anybody remember a research team claiming to have perfected cold fusion? I cant remember much about it , all i remember was that an american team claimed to have produced surplus energy from cold fusion, but then couldnt duplicate the experiment.I'm sure this happened in the early '80s, and BNFL (British Nuclear Fuels Limited) bought the team to Britain and then denounced their work when the experiment couldnt be duplicated. I remember it as front page news , but I was very young at the time and so my memory is hazy. Does anybody know anymore about this 'breakthrough'? I'd be very interested to research this event , but basically I dont know where to start!
    Thanx in advance for your help!

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  9. ProtoManXI Registered Member

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    about info...

    Actually I did my case in debate over Cold fusion a couple years ago. You may say oh well that's just crap, it's just a case you did for debate. But I did hearty research and came up with actualy data for my case. An actual team claimed to creat cold fusion in 1992 in arizona. They actually had a plant built that had ran for approximatly 5 minutes.

    A couple weeks later the government mysteriously shut them down for now reason saying that it was too dangerous to have something we know so little about running. It was later released that the government was scared that an inexpendable energy resource was about to be discovered and given out. Think what this would had did to our economy. If any of you are intrested in the facts on Cold Fusion email me at protomanxi@paradoxi.com or post here on this site and I'll get back to you. I have tons of dates for cold fusion and all its research all over the globe. It is carefully documented with the names of the scientist and the dates that the break throughs were made.

    Most Cold Fusion research is being done in China and over in those areas.
     
  10. rde Eukaryotic specimen Registered Senior Member

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    Re: cold fusion that was said to work???

    Their names were Pons and Fleischman. A search on google will reveal more than you ever wanted to know.
     
  11. ProtoManXI Registered Member

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    Yeah they were the leading scientist in the study for Cold Fusion. There was more than one time they had claimed to creat cold fusion. The 1992 occurance of Cold Fusion it was Pons Fleischman I believe.
     
  12. Boris2 Valued Senior Member

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    "It was later released that the government was scared that an inexpendable energy resource was about to be discovered and given out. Think what this would had did to our economy."

    I would have thought it would have been good for the economy. Sure oil stocks would have taken a dive but when everyone realised that this new technology wasn't going to happen overnight they would have gone up again. Plus all the investment in the new tech.

    I realise you have researched this topic but to me the above quote sounds a tad "conspiracy theoryish".
     
  13. kmguru Staff Member

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    Cold fusion did work, the theory looked sound. I think there are several patents on it so that if anyone develops it, they have to pay royalty to the patent holder.

    The problem is that, it was a fluke to get the energy due to the configuration of the metal electrode (platinum/palladium). Copying the configuration does not work verywell. What is needed is a way to create an electrode using molecular deposition and bonding at the molecule level. The atomic lattice has to be proper to have the tunnel effect where fusion takes place.

    Someday, when we develop nanotechnology and learn to modify metals at one atom at a time, we may be able to produce large quantities of the electrode surface area to get enough energy out of it. Until then, you have to wait...

    BTW, as long as patents are there, somebody thinks it works....
     
  14. ProtoManXI Registered Member

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    okay lets think about this

    Okay lets go and introduce a new inexpendable energy resource to the economy. Who wouldn't want to be using an inexpendable energy resource. A cheap reliable resource that is clean and pure. It would not only hurt the stocks but would devastate the natural oil market. Putting many oil companies out of business, within an alloted amount of time. This is given that The technology was released and was in a working order. The government and many large companies would have LOTS to worry about if this technology was secured.
     
  15. Boris2 Valued Senior Member

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    New opportunities

    Ok. Years ago horses were the mode of transport and power. Thousands of people were employed to keep them running. Along comes the ICE. All those people no longer had horses to earn their living from.

    Why is it any different now?

    Oil is going to run out some time.

    This new technology will employ people to manufacture and maintain .

    These new energy sources will not be free, the government, shareholders etc will still make money.
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    There's no such thing as a free lunch

    Nobody has yet managed to invent a device which puts out more energy than it takes in. If any such device could be created we'd need to rewrite the laws of Thermodynamics, along with much of the rest of physics.

    The supposed results obtained by Pons and Fleishman have never been duplicated, although many research groups have tried.

    At this stage, nobody has discovered a way of tapping into the zero-point quantum vacuum energy, and this may well turn out to be impossible (never say never, though). The universe is pretty careful about energy conservation on the whole.
     
  17. kmguru Staff Member

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    A nuclear bomb does exactly that....

    A nuclear power plant can produce a lot more energy that you put in, otherwise you will be running at a loss and will go broke the first day...

    Natural gas produces more energy than the energy required to get it out of the ground.

    Now...start rewriting the laws....

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  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Perhaps we have a misunderstanding. A nuclear power plant produces more energy than we, as humans, put into it. But it does not produce more energy than went into binding the uranium (or whatever) atoms together in the first place. That required energy input from a star.
    Again, the energy in natural gas ultimately comes from a star - in this case our sun, with some help from living creatures along the way.
    Not just yet!

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  19. ProtoManXI Registered Member

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    Yeah I'm not saying that it isn't good to advance or that the government was trying to hold us back. It was just that We wouldn't had been ready to introduce another mass energy that is just as efficient or better than conventional sources.
     
  20. Gunner Registered Member

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    Pa-lease!

    If something came out that would hurt the lobbyist's, the government would suppress it. ya know all those UFO sitings? Over half were classified reasearch,which has recently been declissafied. They were testing an HMD system. Nuclear power plant heats magnessium, magnessium heats MHD, MHD powers electrostatic drive. it was workin fine,almost. just a few tweaks woulda been fine. What ever happened to the test pilots anyway?
     
  21. Reign_of_Error Registered Senior Member

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    A Question

    For cold fusion would we be using hydrogen as the fuel?

    If so, then I assume we would get it from our water.

    Would the hydrogen that we get from out water supply be enough to deliver energy for the lifetime of the human race on the planet, or would we run out of water for creating the energy in a similar way that we will run out of fossil fuels?

    All of this assumes that hydrogen would be the source of energy for the cold fusion reactions..

    Thanks for any replies

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  22. Gunner Registered Member

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    yup

    The ideal system would be hydrogen dirived from water, and, no, we wouldn't run out of water. if you set up an electolisis experiment, you'll see that the hydrgen and water recombine. hydrogen burns cleanly, that is, it doesn't combine with another material, like carbon combining with oxygen to form carbon-dioxide,whe burning a fire. the hydrogen would waft throught the atmosphere, and recombine with free oxygen. or, you could recycle it. electrolisis is how you would get the hydrogen out of the water, leaving the oxygen. you could,after you burn the hydrogen, capture it, then recombine it with the oxygen,then start the proccess back over again. It would be quite efficient.
     
  23. Reign_of_Error Registered Senior Member

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    fusion, not combustion

    But we would be fusing hydrogen, which creates an entirely different element.. so you can't get the hydrogen back again( as far as I know).

    Hydrogen fueled engines would be a great, clean way to replace petrol engines, but that is different than nuclear fusion by a long way..
     

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