"you ar not my friend, you are my foe, you are 2 feet tall, you cant play basket ball, Its a dwarf invasion!m ****shut up dirk!*****" -reggie and teh full effect ------------------ when christianity ruled the world, it was called the dark ages! THANK GOD FOR ATHEISM! voice mail: 1-800-222-6000 pin#- 2442235
"to kill one man is a tragedy, to kill a thousand is a strategy" -stalin(not my dead cat) ------------------ when christianity ruled the world, it was called the dark ages! THANK GOD FOR ATHEISM! voice mail: 1-800-222-6000 pin#- 2442235
"To legislate in advance of public opinion is merely to produce anarchy instead of maintaining law and order." Alexander Mackenzie ------------------ It's all very large.
Here'sa couple of famous quotes and their less famous responses: "Taxation without representation is tyranny!" --Patrick Henry "With representation it ain't so hot either!" --MAD Magazine "I have returned." --General Douglas MacArthur upon his return to the Philippines "It's about damned time!" --an anonymous GI who has yet to be identified and was skillfully editted out of the newsreels
"La, la- la, la-; La, la- la, la-; Elmo's Wor-ld La, la- la, la-; La, la- la, la-; Elmo's Wor-ld..." --Elmo ------------------ It's all very large.
The world is a nettle; disturb it, it stings. Grasp it firmly, it stings not. -Owen Meredith, Lucille
If we're going to quote things as long as Bowser's prior quote, we might as well quote it correctly. Below is a reprint of Bowser's quote. I have restored that which was exscinded from the original text, in order that the proper and intended context be spoken for. (Nice try. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ) http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/swift1.html is the address for the current version. ------------------ Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot [This message has been edited by tiassa (edited October 09, 2000).]
"But when the religious rights cites this text, they always omit, as does the Congressional record, the vital first line, which sets the context for the piece" Tiassa, to be fare, I searched for a back-issue online, but I wasn't able to find it. If you can provide me with a link to an online issue of the original publication of that editorial piece, I will take your source version as the fact. Until then, the most reliable source for the actual text is the Congressional record. It is very possible that the top first line was ommitted by the Oppressors, but it could just be that that first line was never there. Check it out. It is possible that that first line was lost to time and memory--I and most others would never have had an opportunity to read the first print of that piece back in '87. I go with the sources which I trust, but I understand that it's not perfect. I followed your link to its source: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ I bookmarked it for the future (looks very good...thanx). My Search: http://www.lycos.com/srch/?loc=meta_index&ss=971156636%7C2&query=Gay+Community+News&SWR=GCN&x=63&y=16 Congressional Record: cri87 SWIFT, MICHAEL America--Is This the Gay Declaration of War?, 21195 [27JY] ------------------ It's all very large.
Still searching for the most original link. In the meantime, http://www.vcyamerica.org/swift.html is a Christian ministry which uses the omitted line; in fact, the screen I've linked you to makes its inclusion vital to the ministry's position on the article. That position is as follows: Seems like they're assuming much about the author's intent. I mention that because that kind of hollow assumption seems to be of interest, lately. My own web search has resulted in a note that GCN, the original publisher of Swift's tirade, went out of business in 1992. The important thing now is the Congressional Record, eh? As long as you're standing on it, would you mind telling me what date it was entered, by whom, and under what circumstances? Or, are those not important? thanx, Tiassa Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! (Edit--to confirm date of GCN cessation; I got it from the first available link of Bowser's Lycos search.) ------------------ Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot [This message has been edited by tiassa (edited October 10, 2000).]
From the Congressional Record, 1834. On The Deist's Immortality. By Lysander Spooner. thanx, Tiassa Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! http://www.lysanderspooner.org/DeistImm.htm ------------------ Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot
<img src = "http://www.exosci.com/ubb/icons/icon10.gif"> I stand corrected: http://www.vcyamerica.org/swift.html Very good, Tiassa. You have found a site whose motives I do not question. I removed my original post. Certainly, that first line should be included. Thanx for your efforts. <hr> "Seems like they're assuming much about the author's intent. I mention that because that kind of hollow assumption seems to be of interest, lately." Start a new topic and we will see how far we can argue the value of that assumption. <hr> ------------------ It's all very large. [This message has been edited by Bowser (edited October 10, 2000).]
Interesting fellow, that Spooner... http://www.lawcasella.com/spooner/LetterToBayard.htm Thanx for sharing those links. ------------------ It's all very large.
Didn't I do this when I threw a tantrum over in the Religious Discussions board about theistic trends regarding atheism? thanx, Tiassa Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ------------------ Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot [This message has been edited by tiassa (edited October 15, 2000).]
So does that mean that Christian ministry is the qualification for trust? If I call myself Christian, do you automatically trust me? Or do I have to be a Christian who agrees with what you think God says? thanx, Tiassa Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ------------------ Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot
Some lite relief - Opera is people singing when they should be talking. And. Rap is people talking when they should be singing. I have failed to appreciate either.
“Be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant of the weak and wrong. Sometime in your life, you will have been all of these.” - Anonymous. There is no failure except in no longer trying. - Anonymous. The person who insists upon seeing with perfect clearness before they decide – never decides. - Henry Frederick Ameil.
