Civility in Political Discourse.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Buffalo Roam, Mar 10, 2011.

  1. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    pj, what all about the out sourcing of American Jobs and Business? It is in every liberal rag across the nation.

    Seems we have a major flight of jobs and business from our country to China, India, Korea, -------or did you forget all about that?

    Taxes, Unions, a major contributor.

    But your right, it isn't happening as often today, Unions aren't causing as much business flight as the Unions no longer represent the majority of Employees in America, it is only in the public sector where Unions have a majority, and the public sector is paid by taxes, and from county level to federal level, we are out of money, in deficit, with unfunded obligations as far as the accountant can project.
     
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  3. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.

    They haven't, that's just propaganda.

    Because the Federal Government cannot outsource it's jobs, it has to be done here by citizens.
    Lack of patriotism, greed, corruption of the government through bribes and donations.

    Please explain this statement. Evidence would be nice.
    Salaries for the 10 largest unions’ bosses range from $173,000 for the United Auto Workers’ Bob King to $618,000 for Terence O’Sullivan, the president of the Laborers’ International Union of North America. AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka makes about $283,000 per year. Gerald McEntee, the president of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), makes $480,000. [source]

    OK, there are 632,000 members of the Laborers International Union of North America. Terence O'Sullivan makes $618,000 a year. That's about one dollar per person.
     
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  5. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    So you don't read the papers, watch PBS, or use the internet, and on what planet do you live on?


    Again, those jobs are paid for by the tax Payers of the United States, and guess what, we don't have the money to pay for all the unfunded liabilities promised by Democrats who love to spend other people money to buy political power and votes.

    You have just described the Union Democrat relationship to a T

    Self explanitory.

    Yes, and that is in the same range as most Cooperation CEO's.

    The difference is that CEO's compensation is approved by either the Owner of the Companies, or the Stock Holders, now as for the salaries of the Union Bosses, who decided that?

    Now for your Unions, lets look at July 2010 alone and see just how the Union Leadership take care of it's members, 23 inditements alone for $1,100,000+ dollars stolen from Union Rank and File, that is one month only, time 12.

    On July 29, 2010, in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, Warren Joseph Annunziata, Fund Administrator of United Craft and Industrial Workers Union Local 91 (a union that represents school bus drivers and matrons in New York City), pled guilty to extortion. Annunziata was indicted on February 26, 2010 for extorting cash payments from employers totaling at least $500,000. The plea follows an investigation by the OLMS New York District Office, the Department of Labor’s Office of the Inspector General, and the FBI.

    On July 29, 2010, in the United States District Court for the District of Minnesota, Cory A. Carroll, former Secretary Treasurer of Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen (BLET) Regional and Shortline General Committee of Adjustment (GCA) (located in Albert Lea, Minn.), pled guilty to one count of embezzling union funds in the amount of $35,362.41. On April 5, 2010, Carroll was indicted for the same offense. The plea follows an investigation by the OLMS Milwaukee District Office and Minneapolis Resident Investigator Office.

    On July 28, 2010, in the United States District Court for the Western District of Michigan, Robbin R. Wolff, former bookkeeper of United Autoworkers (UAW) Local 383 (located in Benton Harbor, Mich.), pled guilty to one count of embezzling union funds in the amount of $200,397.63 and to one count of falsifying union records. On July 23, 2010, Wolff was charged in an information with the same offenses. The plea follows an investigation by the OLMS Detroit District Office.

    On July 28, 2010, in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, Lawrence DeAngelis, former Administrator/Trustee for Communications Workers of America (CWA) Local 14170, was sentenced to twelve months in prison and fined $3,000 for theft of union funds in excess of $60,000. The sentencing follows an investigation by the OLMS New York District Office.

    On July 21, 2010, in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Ohio, Jeffrey Kenney, former Secretary-Treasurer for Graphic Communications International Union (GCIU) Local 205-C (located in Youngstown, Ohio), was sentenced to four months incarceration followed by two years of supervised release including four months of electronic monitoring. On May 14, 2010, Kenney pled guilty to embezzling more than $10,000 in union funds and filing a false report. The sentencing follows an investigation by the OLMS Cleveland District Office.

    On July 21, 2010, in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Ohio, Western Division, Gilbert Woods, former President of Communications Workers (CWA) Local 84-768 (located in Kettering, Ohio), pled guilty to one count of making false entries in union records. The plea follows an investigation by the OLMS Cincinnati District Office.

    On July 20, 2010, in the United States District Court for the District of Minnesota, Edward Kobe, former General Chairman, United Transportation Union General Committee of Adjustment 325 (located in Duluth, Minn.), was sentenced to three months incarceration followed by two years supervised release, and ordered to pay restitution to the UTU GCA 325 in the amount of $16,200, restitution to the Railroad Retirement Board in the amount of $32,778.39, a fine of $30,000, and a $100 special assessment. On November 30, 2009, Kobe pled guilty to one count of embezzling union funds in the amount of $16,200. The sentencing follows a joint investigation by the OLMS Minneapolis Resident Investigator Office and the Railroad Retirement Board’s Office of the Inspector General.

    On July 20, 2010, in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan, Andrew Blackmon, former President of Steelworkers Local 842 (located in Detroit, Mich.), pled guilty to one count of falsifying union records. On June 18, 2010, Blackmon was charged with the same offense. The plea follows an investigation by the OLMS Detroit District Office.

    On July 20, 2010, in the United States District Court for the District of Alaska, Thomas Renkes, former Executive Director of the Alaska Nurses Association (AaNA) (located in Anchorage, Alaska), was sentenced to thirty-six months of probation and ordered to pay restitution in the amount of $22,546 and a $2,000 fine. On April 26, 2010, Renkes was charged with embezzling union funds. The sentencing follows an investigation by the OLMS Seattle District Office.

    On July 16, 2010, in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Oklahoma, Daniel Gibson, former President of American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) Local 3266 (located in Sallisaw, Okla.), was sentenced to twelve months and one day in prison followed by 24 months of supervised release probation and was ordered to make restitution in the amount of $33,986.39 and pay a $100 special assessment. On March 12, 2010, an information charged Gibson with making false statements. The sentencing follows an investigation by the OLMS Dallas District Office.

    On July 15, 2010, in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Indiana, Stacey Spalding, former bookkeeper for Teamsters Local 215 (located in Evansville, Ind.), was sentenced to one year at a work release facility and two years probation, and was ordered to pay $29,499 in restitution to Zurich Insurance of North America and $100 in court fees. Additionally, Spalding was ordered to make restitution in the amount of $1,597 for money diverted from various 401(k) accounts. On May 19, 2010, Spalding pled guilty to embezzling union funds in the amount of $29,516. The sentencing follows an investigation by the OLMS Cincinnati District Office.

    On July 13, 2010, in the Hennepin County District Court of Minnesota, Lucy Irene Hastings, former Recording Secretary of the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) Local 1969 (located in Minneapolis, Minn.), pled guilty and received a stay of imposition of sentence, three years probation, and was ordered to pay restitution. On April 30, 2010, Hastings was charged with theft of union funds in the amount of $3,328.29. The plea and sentencing follows an investigation by the OLMS Minneapolis Resident Investigator Office.

    On July 13, 2010, in United States District Court for the District of Colorado, Peter Maisel Jr., former Treasurer of Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employees (BMWE) Local 1517 (located in Pueblo, Colo.), was sentenced to five years probation and ordered to pay restitution in the amount of $9,514.79. On April 14, 2010, Maisel pled guilty to one count of embezzling union funds. The sentencing follows an investigation by the OLMS Denver District Office.

    On July 13, 2010, in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Ohio, Brian Wilson, former Treasurer for AFSCME Local 2804 (located in Warren, Ohio), pled guilty to one count of embezzling union funds in the amount of $10,500. The plea follows an investigation by the OLMS Cleveland District Office.

    On July 12, 2010, in United States District Court for the District of Western Washington, Sid Mannetti, former President of AFGE Local 1170 (located in Seattle, Wash.), was sentenced to twenty-four months of probation with six months of home confinement and ordered to pay restitution in the amount of $50,463. On January 25, 2010, Mannetti was charge with embezzling union funds in the same amount. The sentencing follows an investigation by the OLMS Seattle District Office.

    On July 12, 2010, in the United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida, Anthony Green, former Vice President and Recording Secretary of Glass, Molders, Pottery, Plastics & Allied Workers (GMP) Local 208 (located in Bradenton, Fla.), pled guilty to making a false entry in a record or report required to be kept under the LMRDA. Green was ordered to pay Zurich North America the amount of $2,550.00. The plea follows an investigation by the OLMS Tampa Resident Office.

    On July 8, 2010, in Circuit Court for Arlington County, Virginia, Richard James, former President of AFGE Local 1402 (located in Arlington, Va.), pled guilty to one count of embezzlement greater than $200 associated with his embezzling unions funds in the amount of $1,550. James previously made restitution in the amount of $9,850. The plea follows a joint investigation by the OLMS Washington District Office and the Arlington County Police Department.

    On July 8, 2010, in the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey, Joseph Moon, former President of ATU Local 1626 (located in Edison, N. J.), was sentenced to five years of supervised probation and ordered to pay a $25 fine. Also, Moon was ordered to make restitution to Local 1626 in the amount of $14,285. On September 10, 2009, Moon pled guilty to one count of receiving an improper loan from a labor organization. Between April of 2004 and August of 2008, Moon obtained $14,931 in unapproved loans from the local’s checking account. The sentencing follows an investigation by the OLMS New York District Office.

    On July 8, 2010, in the United States District Court for the District of Minnesota, Steven McDeid, former President of National Association of Letter Carriers (NALC) Branch 388 (located in St. Cloud, Minn.), was sentenced to 90 days home confinement and five years probation, ordered to make restitution in the amount of $51,639.61, and pay a $100 special assessment. On March 24, 2010, McDeid pled guilty to embezzling union funds in the same amount. The sentencing follows an investigation by the OLMS Milwaukee District Office and Minneapolis Resident Investigator Office.

    On July 6, 2010, In the United States District Court, Southern District of Indiana, Keith Hart, former Financial Secretary of Bakery Workers Local 315G (Mt. Vernon, Ind.), pled guilty to embezzling union funds in the amount of $13,904.69. On June 3, 2009, Hart was indicted on one count of embezzlement of union funds in the same amount. The plea follows an investigation by the OLMS Cincinnati District Office.

    On July 6, 2010, in the United States District Court, Southern District of Indiana, Keith Hart, former Financial Secretary of Bakery Workers Local 315G (located in Mt. Vernon, Ind.), pled guilty to one count of embezzling union funds in the amount of $13,904. On June 3, 2009, Hart was charged with embezzling union funds in the same amount. The plea follows an investigation by the OLMS Cincinnati District Office.

    On July 1, 2010, in the United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida, Woodrow Anderson, former Treasurer of Glass, Molders, Pottery, Plastics & Allied Workers Local 208 (located in Bradenton, Fla.), pled guilty to making a false statement of a material fact in a report or document required to be filed with the Secretary of Labor. Anderson was ordered to pay restitution of $2,249.96 to Zurich North America. The plea follows an investigation by the OLMS Tampa Resident Office.

    On July 1, 2010, in Fayette County (Indiana) Superior Court, Jeff Napier, former President of UAW Local 151 (located in Connersville, Ind.), was charged in an information with three counts of theft for knowingly or intentionally exerting unauthorized control over the property of the local. The charges were filed following an investigation by the OLMS Cincinnati District Office.

    http://www.laborunionreport.com/portal/2010/12/union-corruption-corner-july-2010/
     
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  7. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Unions like any other institution are made of fallible human beings. I don't see how this means we should not have unions.

    That's also deliberate. The Cons give tax breaks to their corporate donors and then claim poverty when having to pay for public services. It's robbing from the poor to give to the rich.
     
  8. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Tell me mr. roam who was it that passed the largest unfunded entitlement giveaway in American history and why did they do it?

    It was Medicare Part D. And it was passed into law by a Republican congress in a late night session with a lot of arm twisting and vote reversals and signed into law by a Republican president.

    And the reason for this government largess was to keep senior citizens and states from crossing borders to buy cheaper drugs in places like Canada and Mexico. The legislation was totally unfunded, not a dime was raised to fund this giveaway to the healthcare industry by your beloved Republcians. It seems you have your facts screwed up again mr. roam.

    What you are forgetting or just don't know is that the salary component of executive compensation is the smallest part of his/her compensation package. Executives get other perks including stock often worth millions of dollars. Union executives don't get those perks. So your trying to make some sort of equilivance between corporate executive pay and union pay again just does not square with the facts mr. roam.
    Assuming all of that is true, how many executives were indicted over the recent financial melt down? None. At least there is someone watching over union corruption. It would be nice if someone were watching over corruption in Washington.

    To infer that such corruption does not exist as you have done by blaming unions is intellectually dishonest at best mr. roam.
     
  9. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    rag? oh you mean newpaper. what about it. its caused by rampant greed.

    No.

    only in your head. the rest of us know it because in those places its ok to pay some 5 cents day and chain them to their work station for 12 hour days. I'm sorry you feel that americans refusal to be treated like dirt by their employers is the reason for out sourcing. taxes and union don't chase away buisness their own greed causes them to leave.

    the reason people don't join unions is because people like you spread lies about them and the reason we are in so much debt is because of your beloved republican and their always cuts taxes slution. your a republican who supported by your own admttion the last 3 republican presdient sand their policies you don't get to lecture anyone on the debt and deficeit.
     
  10. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I think the real reason more people don't join unions is because over the course of decades protections for people trying to unionize has weakened substancially. Now it is fairly easy to stop unions from forming.
     
  11. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    No , joe Unions have become irrelevant, and the vast majority of private sector employees have higher standards of morality than comes with Union Thugery, they don't approve of things like Madison, Death Threats, busted knee caps, broken arms, Murder, embezzlement, kick backs, protection rackets, and the deep involvement of the Unions with Organized Crime.

    And the fact that the Unions do not represent the majority of political opinion of Americans.

    Has nothing to do with a weakening of organizational rights.
     
  12. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Then stop talking about good American working class jobs because you are trying to kill them.
     
  13. siphra Registered Senior Member

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    So much wrong with the above sentiment, I am not sure where to start. So I will make it simple for you : (Because both parties are almost equally at fault here.)

    If it is cheaper to do the work somewhere else, and ship it here, it will be done.
    ALL factors are included in this, taxation, cost of labor, cost of resource. Now you get good 'conservatives' opening up free trade deals, that removes the tax on shipping in, (and out) combine that with low pay trade vessles being allowed to dock cheaply, and low wages, cheaper resources and you get buisness leaving.

    Unions ARE a contributing factor, they increase the labor cost, they make control of a buisness difficult. But they are not the only factor involved.
    Increase taxes on a buisness, force it to obey union rules, and open a free trade agreement with someplace cheaper, and the buisness will do its job, it will determine if production here is economically viable, if it isn't it leaves.

    How about people like me, who worked for Teamsters, and watched them negotiate and threaten strikes after the company I worked for tried to fire a guy for causing a nearly fatal accident with heavy equipment? The guy was high on the job, and everyone, even the union steward, knew it. They delayed the guys drug test, forced the company to pay him for his days off, at his work time average production. The union had negotiated a retirement plan so good, that if you worked for the company for 25 years, you would make more on retirement than staying employed. The over all costs to the company were such they ran lay-offs constantly (to prevent people from reaching 25 years most likely) and eventually just shut the facility down, as it was cheaper to outsource than to actually have and own the facility, due to union stupidity.

    Oh and did I mention they were forced to accept the contract by a court, when the union sued?

    Conversely I can think of at least 3 places that would benefit from union treatment... but thats just because I want to see them shut down.
     
  14. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    it is disingenious to blame unions for when they effect the cost of items by maybe 5% when the reductuon in wages and benefits to compete are far more drastic.
     
  15. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    lol, mr. roam would you care to show some proof of your wild ass claims? Just where are all those broken arms and broken knee caps you are attributing to unions? They exist only in your mind mr roam.

    The facts are mr. roam that congress has been weakening collective bargaining for decades. And the facts are mr. roam that a large majority of people want to protect the rights of individuals to use collective bargaining. Now why would 60 percent of Americans support unions if they thought any of your wild ass claims about unions were even remotely true? The facts are mr. roam you claim here is yet another in a long series of bogus claims by you.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ns-oppose-main-part-of-wisconsin-labor-reform
     
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  16. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Damn liberals, causing outsourcing of American Jobs by... working to make American jobs worth having in the first place! If y'all would just settle for the slave-labor wages we want to pay you, you could have all the jobs you want!

    After all, when was the last time you heard a chattel slave complain about the difficulty of finding work?
     
  17. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    joe, this is to easy;

    Copies of the indictment can be found at www.justice.gov/opa/lacosanostra.htm.


    http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-re...related-crimes-including-murder-and-extortion

    “Today’s indictments represent a major milestone in the Office of Inspector General’s statutory responsibility to investigate labor racketeering and organized crime influence and control of unions, employee benefit plans and their workers,” said Daniel R. Petrole, Acting Inspector General for the U.S. Department of Labor. “Through the alleged domination of these unions, these investigations revealed that union officials and associates and members of La Cosa Nostra Organized Crime Families conspired to steal from and extort hard working union members. My office remains committed to continue working with our law enforcement partners to combat these types of crimes.”

    Among those charged are Luigi Manocchio, 83, the former boss of the New England LCN; Andrew Russo, 76, street boss of the Colombo family; Benjamin Castellazzo, 73, acting underboss of the Colombo family; Richard Fusco, 74, consigliere of the Colombo family; Joseph Corozzo, 69, consigliere of the Gambino family; and Bartolomeo Vernace, 61, a member of the Gambino family administration. In total, more than 30 official members of the LCN, or “made men,” were charged in the indictments unsealed today.

    According to the indictments, the LCN operates in numerous cities around the United States and routinely engages in violence and threatens violence to extort money from victims, eliminate rivals, settle vendettas and obstruct justice. In the New York City-area, five LCN families principally operate: the Bonanno, Colombo, Gambino, Genovese and Luchese families. The Decavalcante family operates principally in New Jersey, while the New England LCN family operates in areas including Providence and Boston. Each LCN family has a hierarchical structure, with an administration comprised of a boss, underboss and consigliere at the top overseeing crews of criminals led by captains, who in turn supervise organized crime soldiers and associates.
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    ---In Brooklyn, 12 indictments were unsealed today charging 85 defendants from all five New York-based families as well as defendants from the Decavalcante family. One indictment (United States v. Russo) charges 39 defendants, including the entire leadership of the Colombo family not currently in prison—street boss Andrew Russo, acting underboss Benjamin Castellazzo and consigliere Richard Fusco—as well as four of the crime family’s official captains and eight of its soldiers, with crimes including racketeering and racketeering conspiracy committed during an approximately 20-year period. Among other acts of violence, Colombo family acting captain Anthony Russo is charged with the 1993 murder of Colombo family underboss Joseph Scopo during an internecine war among family members. According to court documents, Scopo was shot in the passenger seat of a car outside of his residence in Ozone Park, Queens, N.Y. The Russo indictment also charges numerous crimes of extortion and fraud, including charges related to the Colombo crime family’s alleged long-standing control of Cement and Concrete Workers Union Local 6A, and its alleged defrauding of the City of New York in regard to an annually held feast, the Figli di Santa Rosalia. The indictment is based in part on hundreds of hours of recorded conversations of members and associates of the Colombo family, including meetings of the Colombo family administration.---------------
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    In nine of the indictments charged in Brooklyn (United States v. Alesi, United States v. Balzano, United States v. Caramanica, United States v. Cicalese, United States v. Colandra, United States v. Gallo, United States v. Gioia, United States v. Messina and United States v. Samperi), members and associates of the Colombo, Gambino, Genovese and Decavalcante families are charged variously with racketeering, racketeering conspiracy, extortion, perjury, obstruction of justice, illegal gambling, receipt of stolen property and possession of contraband cigarettes. For example, in United States v. Messina, Bonanno family associate Neil Messina is charged with the murder of Joseph Pistone during a home invasion robbery in 1992. The Alesi indictment charges, among other things, a former member of the Suffolk County, N.Y., Police Department’s Emergency Services Unit with obstructing a state investigation of illegal gambling businesses by tipping off the business to upcoming law enforcement raids. The Cicalese indictment charges three members of the International Longshoremen’s Association (ILA) with committing perjury during testimony before a federal grand jury investigating organized crime’s infiltration of the waterfront and the ILA.
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    In Manhattan, 26 defendants, primarily from the Gambino family, have been charged in two indictments that include charges related to racketeering conspiracy, murder, narcotics trafficking, extortion, assault, arson, loansharking, illegal gambling, mail and wire fraud, and stolen property crimes. Among the defendants charged are Joseph Corrozo, 69, who has served at times as the Gambino family consigliere; Bartolomeo Vernace, 61, a member of the Gambino family administration, who is also charged in Brooklyn; Gambino family captains Alphonse Trucchio, 34, and Louis Mastrangelo, 66; and Gambino soldiers Michael Roccaforte, 34, Anthony Moscatiello, 40, and Vincenzo Frogiero, 43.
     
  18. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    More for you joe;

    RICO Indictment of Chicago "Outfit Crime Bosses" for murder ...
    RICO Indictment of Chicago "Outfit Crime Bosses" for murder conspiracy, ..... the conspirators would and did utilize the threat of labor union violence or ...

    http://www.ipsn.org/indictments/indictments-oc/family_secrets_final_indictment.htm

    GAMBINO CRIME FAMILY LEADERSHIP, MEMBERS AND ASSOCIATES INDICTED ...
    Feb 7, 2008... together to take down a legacy of crime and violence that spanned decades.” ... According to the indictment and the detention memorandum filed today, ... The Murder of Albert Gelb: Gambino family soldier Charles ... the Gambino organized crime family caused the theft of Teamsters union dues, ...

    http://www.ag.ny.gov/media_center/2008/feb/feb07a_08.html - 25k -
     
  19. siphra Registered Senior Member

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    LOL 5% ? What piss poor unions you must have worked for, In my personal experience, working for 2 different unions the pay difference in one was 50% more the other was 100% more. And I am aware of another that is close to 100% more. Sorry man your unions must actually be bad.
     
  20. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well this explains it mr. roam. You are confusing organized crime with unions. Funny thing, in all of material you posted there was not one instance of union knee breaking or other acts of violence that you have previously attributed to unions. You have failed to prove your claims mr. roam. You have provided zero proof of union violence.

    And in the indictments you offered as proof of union wrong doing; unions were not cited as being corrupt and the indictments were against organized crime not unions. In fact in the inditements you offered, unions were cited as victims of organized crime. You are getting things confused mr. roam. There is a difference between the perpetrator and the victim. In the cases you cited, unions were the victims and organized crime was the perpetrator. You need to get those two rolls straight in your mind mr. roam. As previously pointed out if unions were as bad as you are trying to make them out to be, 60 percent of Americans surveyed would not support the right of individuals to be represented by collective bargaining.
     
  21. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    I wan't talking about the change in pay but the effect on the overall cost.
     
  22. siphra Registered Senior Member

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    You honestly believe a major raise in labor is a small change in overall cost... I did the math for you, 25% turns into 50% counting for most things.

    It is this simple : MOST companies make less than 50% profit on each unit of traded good as an average, this is because 50% has been shown to be the magic number where you can still pay the bills, and make sales to make profits.

    A raise in any single factor COMPOUNDS the problem to the final source (usually retail). Meaning that all services go up.

    Think about it this way, in my closed loop a new guy comes in, he's a landlord, now he finds that his food costs more, well he needs more money, so he raises rent...

    Can you start to see how this works?
     
  23. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Indiana Prosecutor Suggested Fake Attack on Gov. Scott Walker

    Buried among the 50,000 emails sent to Wisconsin Republican Governor Scott Walker during the fight over his anti-union “budget repair” bill, the two-paragraph message from Carlos Lam on February 19 stood out. After praising Walker, Lam wrote: “If you could employ an associate who pretends to be sympathetic to the unions’ cause to physically attack you (or even use a firearm against you), you could discredit the unions.” Law called the stunt a “false flag” operation, going on to say that such a move “would assist in undercutting any support that the media may be creating in favor of the unions. God bless, Carlos F. Lam.”

    As the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism reported, Lam was no ordinary citizen. He was a deputy prosecutor in Johnson County, Indiana, in the heart of the Hoosier state. When the Wisconsin Center’s Kate Golden asked Lam about the incendiary email, he denied sending it, saying he was “flabbergasted and would never advocate for something like this.” He said he was mini-van shopping when the email was sent. But not long after distancing himself from the email, Lam fessed up as the message’s sender. He resigned on Thursday.


    from Mother Jones
     

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