Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by mathman, Mar 11, 2019.
Is there a sect which calls itself Christian (follow Christian bible) without making Jesus into god?
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Anything that doesn't fall into line with trinitarianism (ie, doesn't share the values or influence of Roman Catholicism)
I suspect many Protestants accept Jesus as god, but not the Trinity.
Probably most of today's Unitarian Universalists. Many Anglicans/Episcopalians, Methodists, ELCA Lutherans etc.
There's a big group of theologically "liberal" Protestants in both the United States and Europe who seem to treat Jesus as some kind of uniquely authoritative sage or philosopher. He might have been uniquely attuned to God, served as God's instrument by channeling God and by doing nothing but God's will, or something like that. But they don't believe that he was literally God.
I expect that many Roman and Orthodox Catholics think of Jesus the same way.
I agree with your point, but what I was trying to find out is there a sect, rather than individuals, which calls itself Christian without the divinity of Jesus.
You mean Jesus as a secular moral figure, a philosopher?
What would be Jesus' claim to fame, if it wasn't for "divine intervention"?
That sounds a little like Islam.
On the other hand, what hope does a person have to live a Christ-like life if Jesus wasn't 100% human?
Then he (scripture) should not have claimed to be son of god.
I hope to live at least as moral as any theist, and I'm an atheist. Be careful with assigning morality to any specific belief system. Almost all scriptural religions are exclusive by definition.
I am under the impression that Jesus did not claim to be the son of god, but that he was the messiah (still expected by religious Jews). Deification, as I understand it, was by later Christians, starting with Paul.
Well, from a quick search;
The books cited were written well after the life of Jesus and after Paul. By then Christians had defied Jesus.
And that proves anything? Moreover, does it matter who is wrong here?
Not my words. This is a knowledgeable theist speaking. Is he wrong?
The knowledgeable theist is relying on the Gospel of John, written well after the life of Jesus. We have no way of knowing how accurate it is.
OK, shall we strike every verse which has doubtful origins from scripture? Won't be much left....
A little bit of arrogance makes Him all the more human.
I agree, that is part of the hubris of daring to compare oneself with a god.
The truth is, humans are closer to ants than to any possible god that may exist out there. No amount of belief can counter that argument.
Why are you placing obstacles where there exist none? Hope if one can be a good person without being Christian? What kind of question is that?
Forget Jesus. Ask if one can live a good, moral, productive life without all the trappings of Christianity.
This is the real problem; The exclusivity of religions which claim that without that specific religion one cannot find "salvation" from our bad, bad, human existence.
Stop spreading the guilt around. Just espouse humanism, appriciate our privileged existence and contemplate our inescapable obligations to our host, Earth (Gaia).
Imo Jesus Christ is number 2 in all the Heavens and across the cosmos. No intention to be God at all. Jesus is the son of God.
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