Christian disproofs +Egypt

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  1. Trilairian Registered Senior Member

    To start off here are some parallels between Jesus and Buddha that I found somewhere on the web. Though I don’t remember the site every one has a reference.

    1. Buddha and Jesus all claimed to be of royal descent:
    "The ancestry of Gautama Buddha is traced from his father, Sodhodana, through various individuals and races, all of royal dignity, to Maha Sammata, the first monarch of the world...." (Doane, p. 291.)
    Jesus' genealogy consists mostly of kings (Matthew 1:6--16), and he is traced back to Adam, the first man (Luke 3:38).

    2. Both are said to have been born of a virgin, and through the holy spirit. (Thomas Maurice, History of Hindostan (London 1798), vol. 2, p. 310; Matthew 1:18.)

    3. Both were declared divine at birth:
    Following the Buddhist tradition, (Godfred Higgins, Anacalypsis: An Inquiry into the Origin of Languages, Nations and Religions (London, 1836) vol. 1, p. 157.), Matthew records that wise men proclaimed the infant Jesus divine. (Matthew 2:1, 11).

    4. "Celestial bodies" announced both men's births. (De Bunsen, pp. 22--23, 33; Matthew 2:2.)

    5. When each was born, "angels" sang in heaven:
    For Buddha, they sang: "Today, Bodhisattva is born on earth, to give joy and peace to men and Devas [angels], to shed light on the dark places, and to give sight to the blind." (Beal, p. 56.)
    For Jesus, they sang: "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, goodwill among men" (Luke 2:14).

    6. Upon their births, they were supposedly presented with gifts:
    Buddha received costly jewels and precious substances (De Bunsen, p. 36; Amberly Viscount, An Analysis of Religious Belief (New York, 1879), p. 231.)
    Jesus received gold, frankincense, and myrrh. (Matthew 2:11).

    7. Both were supposedly miracle workers. (Muller, Science, p. 27; Matthew 4:23.)

    8. Both were "transfigured" before witnesses:
    For Buddha and Jesus, this occurred on a mountain: "A flame of light encircled Buddha's head and shone as the sun or moon." (De Bunsen, p. 45; Beal, p. 177.)
    "And [Jesus] was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his garments became white as light" (Matthew 17:2).

    9. Both are said to be part of a trinity. (John Francis Davis, The Chinese (New York, 1836), vol. 2, p. 104; Matthew 28:19.)

    10. They all "relieved" others of sins.
    Buddha said: "Let all the sins that were committed in this world fall on me, that the world may be delivered." (Prof. Max Muller, History of Sanskrit Literature (London, 1872), p. 80.)
    Of Jesus it was said: "In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace which he lavished upon us" (Ephesians 1:7--8).

    11. Both were acclaimed as the Creator: "Buddha, the Angel messiah, was regarded as the divinely chosen and incarnate messenger, the vicar of God, and God Himself on earth." (De Bunsen, p. 33.) "[Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creation; for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions, or principalities, or powers, all things were created through him and for him" (Colossians 1:15--16).

    12. Both will "judge" the dead. (Mons Dupuis, trans., The Origin of All Religious Worship (New Orleans, 1872) p. 366; II Timothy 4:1.)

    13. Buddha's titles were:
    Savior of the World (Child, vol. 1, p. 247.)
    God of gods (Samuel Johnson, Oriental Religions and Their Relation to Universal Religion (India) (Boston, 1872), p. 604.)
    Anointed/Christ (De Bunsen, p. 18.)
    Messiah (Ibid.)
    and Only Begotten (Ibid.)

    14. Both Buddha and Jesus were baptized in the presence of the "spirit" of God. (De Bunsen, p. 45; Matthew 3:16.)

    15. Both went to their temples at the age of twelve, where they are said to have astonished all with their wisdom. (Ibid., p. 37; Luke 2:41--48.)

    16. Both supposedly fasted in solitude for a long time: Buddha for forty--seven days and Jesus for forty. (Arthur Lillie, Buddha and Early Buddhism (London, 1881), p. 100, Matthew 4:2.)

    17. At the conclusion of their fasts, they both wandered to a fig tree. (Hans Joachim Schoeps, An Intelligent Person's Guide to the Religions of Mankind (London, 1967), p. 167; Matthew 21:18--19.)

    18. Both were about the same age when they began their public ministry:
    "When he [Buddha] went again to the garden he saw a monk who was calm, tranquil, self--possessed, serene, and dignified. The prince, determined to become such a monk, was led to make the great renunciation. At the time he was twenty--nine years of age...". (Encyclopedia Americana (New York: Rand McNally and Co., 1963), vol. 4, p. 672.)
    "Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age" (Luke 3:23).

    19. Both were tempted by the "devil" at the beginning of their ministry:
    To Buddha, he said: "Go not forth to adopt a religious life but return to your kingdom, and in seven days you shall become emperor of the world, riding over the four continents." (Moncure D. Conway, The Sacred Anthology (London, 1874), p. 173.)
    To Jesus, he said: "All these [kingdoms of the world] I will give you, if you fall down and worship me" (Matthew 4:9).
    Buddha answered the "devil": "Get you away from me." (De Bunsen, p.38)
    Jesus responded: " gone, Satan!" (Matthew 4:10).
    Both experienced the "supernatural" after the "devil" left:

    20. For Buddha: "The skies rained flowers, and delicious odors prevailed [in] the air." (Ibid.)
    For Jesus: "angels came and ministered to him" (Matthew 4:11).

    21. The multitudes required a sign from both in order that they might believe. (Muller, Science, p. 27; Matthew 16:1.)

    22. Both strove to establish a kingdom of heaven on earth. (Beal, p. x; Matthew 4:17.)

    23. Buddha "represented himself as a mere link in a long chain of enlightened teachers." (Muller, Science, p. 140.)
    Jesus said: "Think not that I have come to abolish the law, and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matthew 5:17).

    24. According to the Somadeva (a Buddhist holy book), a Buddhist ascetic's eye once offended him, so he plucked it out and cast it away. (Ibid., p. 245)
    Jesus said: "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out, and throw it away;" (Matthew 5:29).

    25. "Buddha taught that the motive of all our actions should be pity or love of our neighbor." (Ibid., p. 249)
    Jesus taught: " your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" (Matthew 5:44).

    26. Buddha said: "Hide your good deeds, and confess before the world the sins you have committed." (Ibid., p.28)
    Jesus said: "Beware of practicing your piety before men to be seen by them;" (Matthew 6:1) and "Therefore confess your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that you may be healed..." (James 5:16).

    27. Both are said to have known the thoughts of others:
    "By directing his mind to the thoughts of others, [Buddha] can know the thoughts of all beings." (R. Spence Hardy, The Legends and Theories of the Buddhists Compared with History and Science (London, 1866), p. 181.)
    "But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said: `Why do you think evil in your hearts?' " (Matthew 9:4).

    28. After "healing" a man born blind, Buddha said: "The disease of this man originates in his sinful actions in former times." (Prof. Max Muller, ed., Sacred Books of the East (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1879--1910), vol. 21, p. 129f.)
    "As [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man blind from his birth. And his disciples said to him: `Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?' " (John 9:1--2).

    29. Both were itinerant preachers with a close group of trustees within a larger group of disciples. (James Hastings, ed., Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (New York: Edinburgh T. & T. Clark, 1918), vol. 6, p. 883; Matthew 26:20.)

    30. Both demanded that their disciples renounce all worldly possessions. (Hardy, Monachism, p. 6; Luke 14:33.)

    31. "The number of the disciples rapidly increased, and Gautama sent forth his monks on missionary tours hither and thither, bidding them wander everywhere, preaching the doctrine, and teaching men to order their lives with self--restraint, simplicity, and charity." (Hastings, vol. 6, p.883)
    "And [Jesus] called to him the twelve [apostles], and began to send them out two by two. So they went out and preached that men should repent" (Mark 6:7, 12).

    32. Both had a disciple who "walked" on water:
    To convert skeptical villagers, Buddha showed them his disciple walking across a river without sinking. (Lillie, p. 140)
    "He said: `Come.' So Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water and came to Jesus, but when he saw the wind, he was afraid, and beginning to sink he cried out: `Lord, save me!' " (Matthew 14:29--30).

    33. "One day Ananda, the disciple of Buddha, after a long walk in the country, meets with Matangi, a woman of the low caste of the Kandalas, near a well, and asks her for some water. She tells him what she is, and that she must not come near him. But he replies: `My sister, I ask not for your caste or your family, I ask only for a drought of water. She afterwards became a disciple of Buddha." (Muller, Science, p. 243)
    "There came a woman of Samaria to draw water. Jesus said to her: `Give me a drink.' For his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food. The Samaritan woman said to him: `How is it that you, a Jew, ask a drink of me, a woman of Samaria?' For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans" (John 4:7--9).

    34. Each repeated a question three times:
    "The Buddha next addressed the bhikkhus and requested them three times to ask him if they had any doubt or question that they wished clarified, but they all remained silent." (Encyclopedia Britannica (New York: William and Helen Benton, 1974), vol. 2, p. 373.)
    "[Jesus] said to him the third time: `Simon, son of John, do you love me?' Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time: `Do you love me?'" (John 21:17).

    35. Both received similar receptions:
    "The people swept the pathway, the gods strewed flowers on the pathway and branches of the coral tree, the men bore branches of all manner of trees, and the Bodhisattva Sumedha spread his garments in the mire, [and] men and gods shouted: `All hail.' " (Hardy, Legends, p.134)
    "And they brought the colt to Jesus, and threw their garments on it; and he sat on it. And many spread their garments on the road, and others spread leafy branches which they had cut from the fields" (Mark 11:7--8).
    Both had an archival:

    36. "[Buddha's] chief rival was Devadatta, a cousin of the Buddha, who is represented as being jealous of his influence and popularity, and as repeatedly seeking to compass his death." (Hastings, vol. 6, p.883)
    "While [Jesus] was still speaking, Judas came, one of the twelve, and with him a great crowd with swords and clubs, from the chief priests and the elders of the people. Now the betrayer had given them a sign, saying: `The one I shall kiss is the man; seize him!' And he came up to Jesus at once, and said: `Hail, Master!' And he kissed him" (Matthew 26:47--49).

    37. Before his death, Buddha said to his disciple: "Ananda, when I am gone, you must not think there is no Buddha; the discourses I have delivered, and the precepts I have enjoined, must be my successors, or representatives, and be to you as Buddha." (Hardy, Eastern Monachism (London, 1860), p. 230.)
    Before his "ascension," Jesus said to his disciples: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and, lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age" (Matthew 28:19--20).

    38. When Buddha died: "The coverings of [his] body unrolled themselves, and the lid of his coffin was opened by supernatural powers." (De Bunsen, p. 49.)
    When Jesus died: "And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the L--rd descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone, and sat upon it" (Matthew 28:2).

    39. "In the year 217 B.C. Buddhist missionaries were imprisoned for preaching; but an angel, genie or spirit came and opened the prison door, and liberated them." (Thomas Thornton, A History of China from the Earliest Records to the Treaty with Great Britain in 1842 (London, 1844), vol. 1, p. 341.)
    "They arrested the apostles and put them in the common prison. But at night an angel of the L--rd opened the prison doors and brought them out" (Acts 5:18--19).

    40. Both men's disciples are said to have been miracle workers. (Maria L. Child, The Progress of Religious Ideas Through Successive Ages (New York, 1855)vol. 1, p. 229, Acts 3:6--8.)

    Jesus also parallels many other god types. The reason that there are so many parallels is obvious given the following origins of modern Christianity which no one has as yet provided a valid rebuttal: Both characters were given aspects of their stories from the same source, Horus of Egyptian religion.

    Here are some Jesus parallels with Egyptian religion. Most of the Jesus characteristics you will recognize from the bible, but some come from Apocryphal texts or various Christian traditions.

    The Mysteries
    The miracles

    The Sem, or mythical representations
    The parables

    The Ritual as the book of resurrection
    The Book of Revelation

    The sayings of Iu or Iu-em-hetep
    The Sayings of Jesus

    Huhi the father in heaven as the eternal, a title of Atum-Ra Ihuh,
    the father in heaven as the eternal.
    Ra, the holy spirit God
    the Holy Ghost.

    Ra the father of Iu the Su, or son of God, with the hawk or dove as the bird of the holy spirit
    God, the Father of Jesus, with the dove as the bird of the Holy Spirit.

    Iu or Horus, the manifesting son of God
    Jesus the manifesting Son of God.

    The trinity of Osiris the father, Horus (or Iu) the son, and Isis
    The Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    Iu-Su or Iusa, the coming son of Iusāas, who was great with Iusa or Iusu

    The ever-coming Messu or Child as Egyptian
    The Hebrew Messianic Child.

    Horus (or Heru), the Lord by name,
    as a child Child-Jesus as the Lord by name (Gospels of the Infancy).

    Meh-Isis, the virgin mother of Iu, her Su or son
    Mary the virgin mother of Jesus.

    The first Horus as Child of the Virgin, the second as son of Ra, the father
    Jesus the Virgin’s child, the Christ as son of the father

    The first Horus as the founder, the second as fulfiller for the father
    Jesus as the founder, and the Christ as fulfiller for the father.

    The two mothers of Child-Horus, Isis and Nephthys, who were two sisters
    The two mothers of Child-Jesus, who were sisters.

    Meri or Nut, the mother-heaven
    Mary as Regina Coeli.

    The outcast great mother with her seven sons
    Mary Magdalene, with her seven devils.

    Isis taken by Horus in adultery with Sut
    The woman taken in adultery.

    Apt, the crib or manger, by name as the birthplace and mother in one
    The manger as cradle of the Child-Christ.

    Seb, the earth-father, as consort to the virgin Meh
    Joseph, the father on earth, as putative husband to the Virgin Mary.

    Seb, the foster-father to Child-Horus
    Joseph, as foster-father to the Child-Jesus.

    Seb, Isis and Horus, the Kamite holy trinity
    Joseph, Mary and Jesus, a Christian holy trinity.

    Seb, the builder of the house, the carpenter
    Joseph, the carpenter.

    Seb, the custodian of the mummied dead
    Joseph of Arimathea, the keeper of the Corpus Christi.
    Sut and Horus, the twin opponents
    Satan and Jesus, the twin opponents.

    Horus, the sower, and Sut, the destroyer, in the harvest-field J
    esus, the sower of the good seed, and Satan, the sower of tares.

    Sut and Horus contending in the desert
    Satan and Jesus contending in the wilderness.

    Sut and Horus contending on the Ben-Ben or Pyramidion
    Satan and Jesus contending on the pinnacle.

    Horus carried off by Sut to the summit of Mount Hetep
    Jesus spirited away by Satan into an exceeding high mountain.

    Sut and Horus contending on the mount
    Satan and Jesus contending on the mount.

    Sut undoing the good that Horus does
    Satan sowing tares by night.

    S’men, for Khemen, a title of Taht Simeon.

    S’men, who held Child-Horus in his arms as the young solar god
    Simeon, who took the Child-Jesus in his arms.

    Anna or Annit (a title of Hathor), with Taht-S’men
    Anna, the prophetess, with Simeon.

    The Petar or Petra by name in Egyptian as Revealer to Horus
    Peter, the revealer to the Christ.

    The house of Annu Bethany.

    The group in the house at Annu
    The group in the house at Bethany.

    Horus in Annu
    Jesus in Bethany.

    Asar or Osiris

    The two sisters Mertae
    The two sisters Mary and Martha.

    Osiris, whom Horus loved
    Lazarus, whom Jesus loved.

    Osiris perfumed for his burial
    Jesus anointed, when the odour fills the house.

    Osiris prays that he may be buried speedily
    Jesus begs that his death may be effected quickly.

    Osiris prepared for burial under the hair of Hathor-Meri
    Jesus prepared for his burial beneath the hair of Mary

    Osiris, who slept in the tomb at Annu
    Lazarus, who slept in the tomb at Bethany.

    Osiris raised from the tomb by Horus in Annu
    Lazarus raised from the tomb at Bethany.

    The mummy Osiris bidden to come forth by Horus
    The mummy Lazarus bidden to come forth by Jesus

    The Great One who does the work of washing
    Jesus washing the feet of his disciples.

    The star, as announcer for the Child-Horus
    The Star in the East that indicated the birthplace of Jesus.

    The seven Hathors (or cows) who minister to Horus
    The seven women who minister to Jesus.

    Anup, the Precursor of Horus
    John, the forerunner of Jesus the Christ.

    Anup, the Baptizer
    John the Baptist.

    Aan, the saluter of Horus
    John, the saluter of the Christ.

    Aan, a name of the divine scribe
    John, the divine scribe.

    Hermes, the scribe
    Hermas, the scribe.

    Mati, the registrar
    Matthew, the clerk.

    Taht, Shu, and black Sut
    The three kings, or Magi.

    Nut at the pool of the Persea, or sycamore-tree, as giver of divine drink
    The woman at the well as giver of the water.

    Horus born in Annu, the place of bread
    Jesus born in Bethlehem, the house of bread.

    The vesture put on Horus by the Goddess Tait
    The swaddling clothes put on the infant Jesus.

    Offerings made to the child by the worshippers in Annu
    Offerings and worship of the Magi.

    Child-Horus with the head of Ra
    Child-Jesus with the solar glory round his head.

    The Bull of Amenta in the place of birth
    The ox in the birthplace of the Child.

    The ass, Iu, in the birthplace
    The ass in the birthplace (catacombs).

    The lions of the horizon attending upon Horus
    The lions attending the Child-Christ (pseudo- Matthew).

    Child-Horus emerging from the Papyrus-reed
    The Child-Jesus in the catacombs issuing from the Papyrus.

    Horus, the ancient child
    The little old Jesus in the catacombs.

    Horus, the gracious child
    Jesus, the child full of grace.

    Horus, one of five brethren
    Jesus, one of five brothers.

    Horus, the brother of Sut the betrayer
    Jesus, the brother of Judas the betrayer.

    Amsta, the one brother of Horus in the human form
    James, the human brother of Jesus.

    The two sisters of Horus
    The sisters of Jesus.

    Horus the lad in the country and youth in town
    Jesus as the child in the country and youth in town.

    Horus baptized with water by Anup
    Jesus baptized with water by John.

    Horus in the tank of flame
    Jesus the baptizer with fire.

    Horus in his baptism becoming the beloved Son of God the Father
    Jesus becoming the Son of God the Father in his baptism.

    Horus the husbandman with the fan in his hand
    Christ coming with the fan in his hand.

    Horus the Good Shepherd, with the crook upon his shoulder
    Jesus the Good Shepherd, with the lamb or kid upon his shoulder.

    Horus with the four followers in the Mount
    Jesus with the four disciples in the Mount.

    Horus with the seven great spirits in the Mount
    Jesus with the seven spirits in the Mount (Rev.).

    Herrut the Apap-reptile, slayer of the younglings in the egg
    Herod, the murderer of the innocents.

    Isis commanded to take her child down into Egypt for safety
    Mary warned to take her Child down into Egypt for safety.

    Horus as the typical fish
    Jesus as Ichthus the fish.

    Horus as the fisher
    Jesus as the fisher.

    The four fishers with Horus as founders of the kingdom
    The four fishers with Jesus as founders of the kingdom.

    Sebek, the father of the fishers
    Zebedee, the father of the fishers.

    Two fisher-brethren, Kabhsenuf and Hapi
    Two fisher-brethren, Simon and Andrew.

    Two other fisher-brethren, Amsta and Tuamutef
    Two other fisher-brethren, James and John.

    The seven on board the bark with Horus
    The seven fishers on board the bark with Jesus.

    The wonderful net of the fishers
    The miraculous draught of fishes in the net.

    Horus as the lamb
    Jesus as the lamb.

    Horus as the lion
    Jesus as a lion.

    Horus (Iu) as the black child
    Jesus as the little black bambino.

    Horus as Ahi, the striker with the flabellum
    Jesus wielding the scourge of cords as the striker.

    Horus identified with the Tat or Cross
    Jesus identified with the Cross.

    The blind Horus, in two characters, as the God and Manes
    The two blind men of the Gospels.

    Horus of twelve years
    Jesus of twelve years.

    Horus made a man of thirty years in his baptism
    Jesus, the man of thirty years in his baptism.

    Horus (Iu), the son of a beetle
    Jesus, the good Scarabaeus.

    Horus (or Ra) as the great cat
    Jesus as the cat.

    Horus as the shrewmouse
    The mouse of Jesus dedicated to “Our Lady.”

    Horus, the healer in the mountain
    Jesus, the healer in the mountain.

    Horus as Iusa, the exorcizer of evil spirits as the Word
    Jesus, the caster out of demons with a word.

    Osiris as the vine-plant, Aarru
    Jesus as the vine.

    Horus, the bringer of the fish and the grapes in Egypt
    Jesus as bringer of the fish and the grapes (catacombs).

    Horus, the child standing on two crocodiles which adore him
    The Christ-Child adored by dragons=crocodiles.

    Horus, the child of a widow
    The Child-Christ who lodges with a widow in Egypt.

    Horus, the child of the widow in Sutenkhen
    The Child-Christ with the widow in Sotenin (pseudo-Matthew).

    The golden Horus
    The corn-complexioned Jesus.

    Horus full of wine
    Jesus the wine-bibber.

    Horus, who gives the water of life
    Jesus as giver of the water of life.

    Horus in the lentils and the grain
    Jesus the bread of life.

    Horus as Unbu in the bush of thorn
    Jesus in the crown of thorn.

    Horus the just and true
    Jesus the faithful and true.

    Horus-Mat-Kheru, the Word made truth at the second coming
    Jesus the spirit of truth at the Second Advent.

    The human Horus glorified in becoming a (Khu) spirit
    The spirit not given until Jesus is glorified.

    The world made through Horus
    The world made through Jesus.

    Horus the bridegroom with the bride in Sothis
    Jesus the bridegroom with the bride.

    Horus of both sexes
    Jesus as the bearded Sophia; Charis, the female Christ.

    Horus who exalteth his father in every sacred place
    Jesus who exalteth his father in every place.

    Horus as Remi the weeper
    Jesus as the weeper.

    Dumb Horus, or the silent Sekari
    Jesus silent before his accusers.

    Horus behaving badly to Isis
    Jesus speaking brutally to his mother.

    Horus the gladsome
    Jesus the jocund.

    Horus as prince of the divine powers
    Jesus the prince.

    Horus the uplifted serpent
    Jesus uplifted as the serpent.

    Horus as the Bennu
    Jesus as the phoenix.

    Horus who giveth light by means of his own body
    Jesus the light of the world.

    Horus the hider of himself as Har-Sheta
    Jesus the concealer of himself.

    Horus the word-made-flesh
    Jesus the word-made-flesh.

    Horus the word-made-truth
    Jesus the doer of the word.

    Horus in the bosom of Ra
    Jesus in the bosom of the Father.

    Horus the Krst
    Jesus the Christ.

    Horus the avenger
    Jesus who brings the sword.

    Iu-em-hetep who comes with peace
    Jesus the bringer of peace.

    Horus called the illegitimate child
    Jesus called the Mamzer.

    Horus the afflicted one
    Jesus the afflicted one.

    Horus the unique one
    Jesus the unique one.

    Horus the lord of resurrections from the house of death
    Jesus the resurrection and the life.

    Horus as the type of life eternal
    Jesus the type of eternal life.

    Iu (em-hetep) the child-teacher in the temple
    The Child-Jesus as teacher in the Temple.

    Child-Horus as sower of the seed
    Child-Jesus as sower of the seed.

    Har-Khuti, lord of the harvest
    Jesus, lord of the harvest.

    Horus the founder
    Jesus the founder.

    Horus the fulfiller
    Jesus the fulfiller.

    Horus as master of the words of power
    Jesus whose word was with power.

    Horus Ma-kheru
    Jesus, “the witness unto the truth.”

    Horus as the lily
    Jesus typified by the lily.

    Horus the link
    Jesus the bond of union.

    Horus who came to fulfil the law
    Jesus who comes to fulfil the law.

    Horus as bearer of the Ankh-symbol of life and the Un-sceptre of resurrection
    Jesus as the resurrection and the life personified.

    Horus (or Khunsu) the chaser of boastfulness
    Jesus the humbler of the proud.

    Horus of the Second Advent
    The coming Christ.

    Horus the hidden force
    Jesus the concealed.

    Horus as Kam-Ura, the overflower, and extender of the water illimitably
    Jesus, giver of the water of life without limit.

    Horus, who came by the water, the blood and the spirit
    Jesus, who came by the water, the blood and the spirit.

    Horus the opener as Unen
    Jesus the opener with the keys.

    Horus of the two horizons
    Jesus of the two lands.

    Horus as teacher of the living generation
    Jesus as teacher on the earth.

    Horus as teacher of the spirits in Amenta
    Jesus as preacher to the spirits in prison.

    Horus as teacher on the Atit-bark, with the seven glorious ones on board
    Jesus the teacher on the boat, also with the seven fishers on board.

    Horus uttering the words of Ra in the solar bark
    Jesus uttering the parables on board the boat.

    Horus walking the water
    Jesus walking the water.

    The blind mummy made to see by Horus
    The blind man given sight by Jesus.

    Horus and the Hamemmet or younglings of Shu
    Jesus and the little ones.

    The children of Horus
    The children of Jesus.

    Horus the raiser of the dead
    Jesus the raiser of the dead.

    Horus the raiser up of Asar
    Jesus the raiser up of Lazarus.

    Horus, who imparts the power of the resurrection to his children
    Jesus who confers the same power on his followers.

    Horus entering the mount at sunset to hold converse with his father
    Jesus entering the mount at sunset to hold converse with his father.

    Horus one with the father
    Jesus one with his father.

    Horus transfigured on the mount
    Jesus transfigured on the mount.

    Amsu-Horus in his resurrection as a Sahu- mummy
    Jesus rising again corporeally or incorporated.

    The blood of Isis The issue of blood suffered by the woman.
    The field manured with blood in Tattu Aceldama.

    The mummy-bandage that was woven without seam
    The vesture of the Christ without a seam.

    Seven souls of Ra the Holy Spirit
    Seven gifts of the Holy Spirit.

    Seven hawks of Ra the Holy Spirit
    Seven doves of the Holy Spirit.

    Seven loaves of Horus for feeding the multitude reposing in the green fields of Annu
    Seven loaves of Jesus for feeding the multitude reclining on the grass.

    Twelve followers of Har-Khuti
    Twelve followers of Jesus, as the twelve disciples.

    Horus with the twelve in the field of divine harvest
    Jesus with the twelve in the harvest-field.

    The twelve who reap for Horus
    The twelve who reap for Jesus.

    Horus as the intercessor
    Jesus as the paraclete.

    Horus as the great judge
    Jesus as the great judge.

    The judgment of the righteous, who are the sheep of Horus, the good shepherd
    Judgment of the righteous, who are the sheep of Jesus the Good Shepherd.

    The judgment of the guilty, who are the goats of Sut
    Judgment of the wicked, who are the goats of Satan.

    Horus parting off the evil dead
    Jesus parting off the accursed.

    The condemned spirits entering the swine
    The evil spirits entering the swine.

    The glorious ones that wait on Horus
    The angels that minister unto Jesus.

    Horus ascending to heaven from Bakhu, the Mount of the olive tree
    Jesus ascending to heaven from Mount Olivet.

    The revelation of Horus, given by Ra, his father, to make known the mysteries of divine things to his followers
    The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him to show unto his servants.

    The revelation written down by Aan (Tehuti), the scribe of divine words
    The Revelation written by John the divine.

    The saluter Aani, who bears witness to the word of Ra and to the testimony of Horus
    John, who bears witness to the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    The secret of the Mysteries revealed by Taht-Aan
    The secret of the Mysteries made known by John.

    The books in Annu
    The book of doom and the book of life in Patmos.

    The books and their bringer
    The book and its opener.

    Seven dungeon-seals
    The book with seven seals.

    The great mother Apt, the pregnant water-cow
    The woman sitting on the waters.

    The crocodile as great mother
    The dragon as great mother.

    The great mother as Hathor, the abode
    The woman that was the great city personalized.

    The great or enceinte mother in her lunar character
    The woman arrayed with the sun about to bring forth the child

    Isis, who brought forth Horus in the marshes
    The woman who brought forth in the wilderness.

    Isis pursued by the great crocodile
    The woman persecuted by the dragon.

    Isis, hawk-winged
    The woman with eagle’s wings.

    The bride as Hathor-Isis, with the calf or lamb upon the mount of glory
    The bride as the lamb’s wife upon the mount.

    Atum-Huhi, the closer and the opener of Amenta
    Ihuh, who carries the keys of death and Hades as closer and opener.

    Atum-Ra, the holy spirit
    The spirit.

    Hathor-Iusāas the bride, with Horus the lamb (or earlier calf) upon the mount
    The bride with the lamb upon the mount.

    Anup and Aan, the two witnesses for Horus
    The two Johns as witnesses for Jesus.

    The seven Khuti or glorious ones
    The seven spirits of God.

    Horus, with the seven Khabsu stars, or gods of the lamp
    Jesus in the midst of the seven golden lamp- stands.

    Sebek-Horus the lamb on the mount
    Jesus the lamb on the mount.

    Horus the morning star
    Jesus the morning star.
    Horus, who gives the morning star to his followers
    Jesus, who gives the morning star to his followers.

    The Har-Seshu, or servants of Horus
    The servants of Jesus Christ.

    The seven spirits of fire around the throne of Ra
    The seven spirits of fire before the throne.

    The fathers, or the ancient ones
    The four-and-twenty elders.

    The four corner-keepers
    The four living creatures at the four corners.

    The solar god of golden form
    The form with feet like unto burnished brass, and countenance as of the sun.

    Iu the son of man (or Atum)
    Jesus the son of man.

    Horus as the first-born from the dead
    Jesus the Christ as first-born of those that slept.

    Horus in the house of a thousand years
    The Millennial reign of Jesus.

    Sebek the solar dragon
    The scarlet-coloured beast with seven heads.

    Seven souls or powers of Ra
    Seven heads of the solar dragon.

    The eighth to the seven
    The eighth to the seven.

    Ten Tata-gods or powers
    The ten horns or kings.

    The war in heaven
    The war in heaven.

    Har-Tema as the avenger, the red god who orders the block of execution
    The word of God, faithful and true, with raiment dipped in blood.

    Michael the Archangel.
    Sut the accuser
    Satan the accuser.

    Sut and Horus
    Christ and the Anti-Christ.

    The celestial Heptanomis
    The seven mountains of earth or islands in the sea.

    The seven children of the old earth-mother
    The seven kings of the earth.

    Horus at the head of the seven
    Jesus at the head of the seven.

    The last judgment
    The last judgment.

    The mount of glory
    The throne set in heaven on the mount.

    The mount as judgment-seat
    The mount as throne of the Great Judge.

    The lion-faced throne of steel
    The great white throne.

    The great judge seated on his throne
    The Great Judge on the judgment-seat.

    The god in lion form
    The god who is the lion of the Tribe of Judah.

    The god in the solar disc
    The god with the sun-like countenance.

    The god whose dazzling mouth sends forth breezes of flame
    The god from whose mouth proceeded the two-edged sword.

    Osiris-Tat, the sufferer in the Lower Egypt of Amenta
    The Lord who was crucified in Egypt.

    The Apap-reptile, the serpent of evil
    Abaddon, Apollyon, or Satan, that old serpent.

    Apap, the power of evil in the Abyss
    Abaddon or Apollyon, the angel of the Abyss.

    The binding of Apap in chains and casting the beast into the Abyss
    The binding of the dragon, that old serpent, and casting him into the Pit.

    Apap and Sut bound in chains and cast into the Abyss
    The Devil and Satan bound in a great chain and cast into the Pit.

    The Ankh-key of life and the Un-symbol of the resurrection
    The keys of death and Hades in the hands of the opener.

    The first resurrection and the second death in Amenta
    The first resurrection and the second death.

    The Lake of Putrata where the lost souls fall headlong into everlasting night
    The lake of the second death.

    The beatified in their white garments of glory
    The beatified spirits arrayed in white.

    The name of Ra on the head of the deceased
    The name of the Father written on the forehead.

    The little column of white stone given as a talisman to the initiates
    The white stone given to the initiated.

    The mount of the double earth in Hetep
    The mountain great and high.

    The eternal city at the summit
    The Holy City.

    The water of life as lake or river
    The river of the water of life.

    The two divine sycamores over the water of life
    The tree of life on either side of the water of life.

    The water of life proceeding from the throne of Osiris.
    The water of life proceeding from the throne of God.

    The great lake in Hetep upon which the gods and glorified alight
    The glassy sea on which the victors stand triumphant.

    The great white lake of Sa
    The sea of crystal.

    The calf (later lamb) of Horus standing on the mount with Hathor bearing the bride
    The lamb standing on Mount Zion with the bride.

    The lunar goddess Hathor bearing the solar orb
    The woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon at her feet.

    The glorified in Hetep stoled and girdled and crowned
    The angels girt about the breasts with golden girdles.

    The emerald dawn around the mount or throne of Ra
    The rainbow like an emerald round the throne.

    The Ba enclosure of Aarru, in twelve measures
    The walled enclosure of the New Jerusalem, in twelve measures.

    Heaven according to the measure of a man
    Heaven according to the measure of a man.

    The paradise of the pole-star
    The Holy City lighted by one luminary that is neither the sun nor the moon=the pole-star.

    The ark of Osiris-Ra
    The Ark of the New Covenant in heaven.

    Amen was originally a deity associated with the power of creation. Later priests through syncretism made him one with Ra claiming that Amen was a deity of power for which Ra and Amen would indwell each other as Amen-Ra. In one of many religious reformations, Horus replaced Ra as the sun god and Amen was said to indwell with Osiris. His fathers name was then Osiris-Amen or O' Amen for short. Horus was the reincarnation of Osiris, one with the father and so the Osiris-Amen title also applies to him. So at the beginning of prayer a Christian prays to Osiris, O' Amen, father and at the end of prayer invokes the "true" name Amen of his son Jesus, who was Horus who is also O' Amen being one with the father saying, in the name of thy son Amen. The Hebrew word amen(let it so be) wouldn't be invoked as a deity would in this manner. So the next time you Christian folk hear something you really like and want to exclaim AMEN know that you are really exclaiming a praise to Osiris.

    On another note, in much the same way as Amen-Ra or Osiris-Amen were representative of different deities said to indwell each other as a form of syncretism the Israelites did the same thing with El, one of their gods prior to Hezekiah and Josiah's religious reformations that created monotheism. For example Elohim is plural for the gods of El. The indwelling of El with Osiris is El-Osiris and the etymology then goes El-Azarus, Lazaros whom was risen from the dead in three days as was Osiris.

    Christianity didn’t just incorporate paganism. Christianity is paganism ultimately traceable to Egyptian religion. Paganism meaning religion of the villagers. This is what gave birth to modern Christianity:
    King Herod is an actual historical figure who lived about 73 BC - 4 BC. His death occurred at the beginning of a Passover that was some time preceded by a lunar eclipse that happened the night he executed Rabbis Judas and Matthias and their pupils who had smashed the golden bird symbol for Rome which he had placed on the temple he had restored. This is according to the historian, Joseph Ben Matthias also known as Flavius Josephus (37/38 AD --around 100 AD).
    Ernest Martin located a full eclipse on January 10, 1 BC that occurred 12 1/2 weeks prior to Passover. However, Herod's successors Antipas, Philip, and Archelaus all appear to have taken their reigns in 4 BC and the chronology of datable events in the Roman Empire best fit with Josephus' description of the circumstances of Herod's death given a death date of 4 BC. There was a 40% partial eclipse March 13, 4 BC which would have been difficult to see, but could have possibly been calculated in those days and either seen or calculated, used by Josephus to reference the death date.
    Jupiter(the planet of royalty) and Saturn(protector of Israel) underwent three conjunctions in 7 BC in the constellation Pisces (associated by ancient Babylonian or Persian magi with the nation of Israel), not of which would have appeared as a bright star, but the astronomical events would have caught the eye of any attentive magi of the time and as their definition of a star would have differed from the scientific definition of today, they may have referred to the astronomical events as stars. The two planets were found again in the constellation Pisces as well as Mars on Feb 6, 6 BC.
    Michael Molnar found that Jupiter underwent an occultation with the moon in the constellation Aries on April 17, 6 BC and again on December 19, 6 BC. Aries is a ram/lamb which would be associated with Israel due to their sacrifices or with Jesus later by Christians. The April 17 occultation occurred near the sun during the day and wouldn't have been seen, but given greater attention due to the previous astronomical events any good magi following Jupiter and tracking the moon would have known that this would occur and that on April 17 when this would occur, it would be "in the east". August 23 Jupiter reversed its apparent motion and "went before" anyone following it until it "stood over" being stationary in the transition of its apparent motion right on the second occultation of December 19.
    William's Comet Catalog of 1871 identifies a comet visible in 5 BC. It was visible from Mar 10 to Apr 27. Such a comet would disappear and reappear as it moved behind the sun which does correspond to Matthew witch inferred that it did so.
    Finally, Chinese astronomers recorded a new star, a nova, in the constellation Capricorn visible March to April of 5 BC, for over 70 days.
    Herod was an evil warmongering king that had many of his own family killed including two of his sons Aristobulus in 7 BC and Antipater in 4 BC. The later may also have sought the life of any prophesied king of Israel accounting for Matthew’s statement that those who had sought the life of Jesus had died.
    However, the slaughter of the babies under two years by Herod old has no basis in history. It is utterly mythical and can be traced back to Krishna, another former Christ story.
    There was also no great taxation of Israel wherein folks had to return to their birthplaces and the only census by Quirinius when he was the actual governor of Syria was conducted in (6 - 7)AD. On the other hand he did established a seat of government in Syria, including Palestine, from 10 BC to 7 BC in which he would have been responsible for the census of Romans, not Jews, that took place in 7 BC. The new testament gives two contradictory genealogies for Joseph. If they are fictitious and Joseph was a Roman then he could have taken part in a census, but such a census still would not have required the participants to return to their homeland and would have been finished prior to the (6-5)BC astronomical events. Apparently the nativity is also a fiction. It can be traced to the Egyptian mythology where Meh(Meri, Mary) whose consort was Seb (lord or god - Seb, Yo-Seb, Joseph) had Horus in a cave or manger amongst the beasts under a star, were visited by three magi bearing gifts, and then fled from the serpent Herrut.
    It appears that someone drawing on the similarity between the evil of Herrut and the evil of Herod and the similarity of their names and given the astrological signs decided to fabricate a reason that such a Horus/Krishna/Christ type being would be born amongst beasts about that time. Recalling that there was a census conducted around that time and such were related to taxes, the Horus story was recreated in terms of an Israeli Messiah born in a manger due to no room during a tax. Here we find the birth of modern Christianity.
    Originally Mehet-Weret, Nut, and Hathor were separate cow goddesses. Mehet-Weret was the Nile goddess, Hathor was the mother of Horus, and Nut was the mother of Ra. Mythically the Nile was connected to the sky through the underworld. Mehet-Weret would therefor be the one who would help the pharaoh and Ra reach the sky. In a way it makes sense that they would think this because the rainwater must get up there somehow. For this assistance Mehet-Weret became known as the right eye of Ra. Nut, being the mother of Ra was thought to give daily birth to the sun, but since Mehet-Weret was also thought to deliver Ra the sun god to the sky, through syncretism the identity of Nut was absorbed into Mehet-Weret. The name of Mehet-Weret changed from one generation to another. The etymology down to the book of the dead was
    .................................................. ......Mehet-Weret
    ................................Mehetweret........ .............................Mehit-Weret
    .................................................. ......................................Mehitwer
    ................................Mehueret.......... ...............................Methyer
    and from there to the mother and wife of Jesus and possibly to Miriam celebration leader:
    ..Mary moth. of Jesus,..Mary Magdalene,.....Miriam(Exodus 15:20)
    Horus, sun of Hathor inherits the sun from Ra, and in doing so Meh-Urt who was known as the right eye of Ra became the right Eye of Horus, but also Nut who was absorbed into Meh-Urt gave birth to the sun daily so Meh-Urt then became the birth mother of Horus who was then the sun god and the identity of Hathor was then absorbed into Meh-Urt as well through syncretism. Since Meh-Urt was Horus's right eye which eye represented the sun, the moon then was represented by Horus's left eye and his adoptive father Seb became the speckled cow, the left eye of Horus in the book of the dead, because he was consort of Meh-Urt.
    Meh-Urt becomes Mary through etymology and Yo-Seb becomes Joseph just the same. So we know where Mary came from and we know were Joseph came from and we know that the birth of modern Christianity was inspired by astronomical events near the end of the life of Herod that struck a resemblance in someone’s mind to Herrut. So next lets look at how Horus became Jesus.
    It isn’t impossible that there was an actual person whose name would have been Yeshua that served as an inspiration for modern Christianity. In fact I think that this would have been the case as Yeshua would have been a common name and given the previous events the people would have been on the look out for their expected Messiah in such an extent that it became a self fulfilling prophesy. I think that Yeshua saw the parallel between the Meh-Horus-Osiris deities and Ashera-Yahweh-El and realizing then the Egyptian influence on Judah’s own religion decided to recreate the religion with himself as Yahweh/Horus. For what we know now is that the myth had it that El and Ashera were consorts who gave birth to one of the baals, we don’t know who for sure. But, Yahweh was originally a baal and Ashera also became his consort. It looks like this particular baal son was then Yahweh. This seems to strike a parallel with Meh-Horus-Osiris. It wouldn’t be the first time Israel adopted Egyptian religion. Even seven of the ten commandments were taken from the book of the Dead.
    Osiris was the spouse of Isis in the Ennead. Set(a gay female goddess probably corresponding to Satan) Kill's Osiris who is resurrected with the magic of Isis(who eventually corresponds to the presence of Mary Magdalene at the resurrection of Jesus). Before her magic wore off and he returned to the land of the dead she conceives Horus(the son of god) by Osiris(the heavenly father). Through syncretism Meh becomes Isis. Since Osiris returns to the dead prior to birth it makes it possible for Horus to be the reincarnation of the father. Thus the son became one with the father god which is the literal meaning of the word atonement. Osiris-Horus then was the life-death-rebirth deity celebrated at the time of the yearly harvest. Horus being Osiris and therefore both the husband and son of Isis who absorbed the identity of Meh is why Mary the mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalene the wife of Jesus had the same name. It appears that Isis, Horus, and Osiris was the for runner then of both the Israelites Ashera-Yahweh-El and of the Christian trinity where Meh/Isis is now replaced by the holy spirit which was not worshipped in early Christianity back when Mary was. In fact some religions still worship/prayto Mary. I think she got written out as a Goddess at the time of the Nicene creed.
    Horus had some titles that may sound familiar as well: The lamb, the light of the world, the good shepherd, the way, the truth, the life, the anointed one - which is Christos in Greek. As you may have noticed certain God's identities seemed to be absorbed by others. This was apparently a common political practice intended to unify peoples belief systems which is called syncretism. The Egyptian dying rising godman mythology spread like wildfire to surrounding regions through syncretism and so many godman cults shared parallels with Osiris and therefore with Jesus who was a syncretism of these religions that the common dying rising godman theme is called just Osiris-Dionysus. If Jesus was an actual man and not just a complete political fabrication through syncretism I find it to be too much a coincidence that the place Mary was supposed to have fled was Egypt itself wherein if it was a place he spent any later portion of his life in he would have been free to explore these religions and then institute such in his homeland later in life.
    When Set killed Osiris she broke his body into pieces and scattered them across the land. Isis response was the same as Mary Magdalene, weeping that they had taken her lord and she knew not where they put him. After tracking down the pieces she placed him in a coffin where he remained enclosed for three days leading to the Egyptian institution of baptism wherein one is enclosed by water. The Egyptians then instituted a sacrament. The broken bread and wine was made into bits of the broken body and blood of Osiris. The resurrecting magic of Isis would then apply to those who took the sacrament to give them eternal life after death. So titles of Horus being Osiris included the way and the life and no one would come to the father but by him.
    Horus was a sun god. The sun god or the sun was represented by many by the Celtic cross which may go back as much as 10 thousand years having been originally an actual device used to navigate based on shadows case by it from the sun. So early crucifixions were probably and actual human sacrifice to the sun god. So Horus Christo(Christo was a title for Horus) variations such as Harry Krishna were sometimes depicted as an ascending person in a crucified posture corresponding to a symbol for the rising sun. Krishna is at times depicted as Crucified with an arrow(which is a small spear) piercing his torso the same as Yeshua-Horus(Yes-us, Jesus). As far as I can tell the only thing that is unique about the Jesus resurrection -ascension is that he had a crown of thorns. Horus in particular is often depicted as a Hawk or *Dove* with wings spread to form of a cross. This explains the Dove in the Jesus Baptism story.
    Here are a LOT of other parallels Jesus got from Horus.
    Ever wonder what Jesus middle name was as in Jesus H. Christ?
    The popular Christian apology has it that the H comes from the H in
    and that this is derived from
    which are then claimed as a Greek abbreviation for Jesus. Iota Eta Sigma Omicron Upsilon Sigma. Now here is the pagan origin:
    I = ISIS
    H = Horus
    S = Seb
    This is then the portrait of Horus and H does stand for ***Horus***
    If you combine the Yes from Yes-ua with the us from Hor-us you do get Jesus as it would be said today. It appears the name Jesus was a transliteration specifically and carefully chosen to reflect Horus in the end and in the abbreviation as well as to yield a Greek Gematria of 888.
    So next time you think of swearing and exclaiming Jesus H. Christ you can do it right and exclaim Jesus HORUS Christ!
    The evidence is overwhelming, but I’ll be flexible and at first say this seems to leave me with two possible conclusions.
    1. The Jesus story is a complete rip off of what is ultimately Egyptian mythology and modern Christianity is an evolution of paganism based on Catholicism, nothing more than a collection of the pagan religions of Osiris-Dionysis.
    2. All this correspondence was somehow prophetic.
    Having been generous with the latter I will say that it seems ludicrous to believe that the what Christianity holds as the opponents of Israel or God, Egypt, would receive such detailed revelation when those which modern Christianity proposes were the chosen of God, Judaism, did not. You may propose Abraham who was supposedly a prophet in Egypt or a descendent down to Moses instigated all this, but this level of prophetic correspondence is not biblically founded. I must therefore conclude that the weight of evidence is for the first conclusion, and where the weight of evidence lay is the only rational conclusion on which to base my faith.
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  3. Trilairian Registered Senior Member

    Add to that the Correspondence of Moses and Akhenaten and it becomes apparent where the Egyptian imfluence entered in.
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