chloride and ammonia

Discussion in 'Chemistry' started by Varda, Nov 14, 2007.

  1. Varda

    Varda The Bug Lady

    what happens if you mix them?

    I was cleaning my bunny's urin and i threw some chloride on it, and it started to hear up and a lot smoke came out of it. I was wondering what that reaction is...
     
  2. Exhumed

    Exhumed Self ******.

    You get ammonium chloride, but maybe it was some other chemicals reacting :shrug:. Was it sodium chloride?

    If you used HCl, you would get ammonium chloride spontaneously, and it would be exothermic, so it seems to fit. I assumed you didn't have HCl lying around to throw on urine though :p
     
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2007
  3. spidergoat

    spidergoat alien lie form

    It creates Chlorine gas I believe, otherwise known as Sarin, a chemical weapon, and very poisonous.
     
  4. Read-Only

    Read-Only Valued Senior Member

    Way, WAY off! Sarin is O-Isopropyl methylphosphonofluoridate.
     
  5. Nasor

    Nasor Valued Senior Member

    Man, I don't even know where to start trying to correct that...
     
  6. spidergoat

    spidergoat alien lie form

    Mixing bleach and ammonia creates chlorine gas. It isn't Sarin, but it was used as a chemical weapon in WWI.
     
  7. Enmos

    Enmos Moderator

    Spider is correct. Same when you have chloride in the toilet and then pee over it, chlorine gas.
     
  8. Exhumed

    Exhumed Self ******.

    Chloride refers to the chlorine ion, Cl-, such has in table salt...NaCl, KCl, HCl, etc., not the Cl2 in bleach.
     
  9. Enmos

    Enmos Moderator

    Bleach doesn't contain chlorine gas :bugeye:
    It contains sodium hypochlorite (NaClO).
     
  10. Exhumed

    Exhumed Self ******.

    OK, I shouldn't have said it like that.

    You guys are referring to bleach and ammonium making chlorine gas,
    2NaOCl + 2NH3 --> 2NaONH3 + Cl2

    Chloride is more likely to refer to one of the things I mentioned, like:
    NH3 + HCl --> NH4Cl
     
  11. Enmos

    Enmos Moderator

    Well, ok. I guess you are right when you say "more likely". But not necessarily though:
    The word chloride can also refer to a chemical compound in which one or more chlorine atoms are covalently bonded in the molecule. This means that chlorides can be either inorganic or organic compounds. ~ Wikipedia
     
  12. Exhumed

    Exhumed Self ******.

    I believe it is referring to the compounds that have other parts of their names only, like ammonium chloride. I've never seen someone call a compound that has Cl covalently bonded as chloride alone.

    In the case of salts you have chloride in the exact definition of the word, Cl-.
     
  13. Enmos

    Enmos Moderator

    I believe you are supposed to refer to it as a chloride then.
     
  14. Exhumed

    Exhumed Self ******.

    Bah. :p

    Let's just wait for Varda to fill us in on what she used.
     
  15. Enmos

    Enmos Moderator

    lol ok.

    VARDA !!!
     
  16. S.A.M.

    S.A.M. uniquely dreadful

    what chloride?
     
  17. Enmos

    Enmos Moderator

    Probably bleach.
     
  18. Nasor

    Nasor Valued Senior Member

    Mixing bleach and ammonia does not make chlorine (although that can happen if you mix bleach and acid). Also chlorine isn't usually a very serious danger, since chlorine gas is very irritating (in addition to poisonous), and it generally becomes intolerable due to irritation long before it actually becomes dangerous. If chlorine starts to be generated people are usually driven out of the area by the irritation long before the concentration of chlorine gets high enough to actually poison them.

    The main danger of mixing ammonia and bleach is the creation of chloramines, which aren’t nearly as irritating but are still very poisonous. Since they aren’t as irritating, people actually stick around long enough to get poisoned.
     

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