China, the worlds most evil country

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  1. w1z4rd Cry the beloved country Valued Senior Member

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    I was going to start this post off with a lot of cussing and anger, but after a cup of tea and a moment of reflection I have decided to go with just the anger.

    My reasons why China is evil:

    - It has amongst the worst cases of human rights abuses in the world
    - Its citizens are kept in a state of political fear with political prison camps for anyone who may have an opposing view to the Chinese government
    - Its population is HEAVILY censored
    - We all know about Tibet
    - We all know that the Burma situation is allowed to happen because of its Chinese support.
    - We all know that the genocide in Sudan is only able to happen because of all the chinese sponsored weapons (being sold for oil... they make the Americans look like peaceful hippies)
    - And now... Southern Africa is going to be experiencing another genocide (the last one took place when Robert Mugabe killed 200 000 matabele... and blamed the Apartheid white government... and the world lapped it up)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/18/wzim218.xml

    Yup, another genocide is going to happen, and the thing that makes me so angry.. is the world is going to let is happen. Right now.. weapons are on their way to Robert Mugabe to help him kill more people. Right now the world knows (the people who need to know).. know that this is going to happen.. and once again.. as in Sudan, as in Burma, as in Tibet... the world are going to collectively sit on their fat bums and do nothing about it (except perhaps send a strong worded letter of dissatisfaction to the Chinese government).

    Our governments are failing us. It seems all politics is corrupt and all the peoples of the world are suffering from this sickness of apathy. I honestly dont know how people can live with themselves by not acting on these horrors.

    Just remember the next time you buy something that says, "Made in China". Know that is was built with blood and that you are guilty of supporting the worlds most evil country and the actions it commits... simply by purchasing a single product made in China. Though.. I doubt most of the people out there even care.

    What makes this whole matter worse, is our wonderful ANC led government are supporting the sale of arms to Zimbabwe, and are not doing a single thing to hinder the process.

    I am shamed many times over. I am ashamed to be a South African and for allowing so many Zimbabweans to die and I am ashamed to be a member of the human race. Even most of the "good" people in this world.. are evil.. as they allow evil to happen.

    "Evil can only happen when good men stand by and do nothing".. and in the case of the rest of the world.. this is exactly what is happening.

    I wish there was some army or something I could join to fight China, Zimbabwes ZANUPF and South Africa's corrupt ANC.

    Am I wrong to be so angry?
     
  2. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    No! Be angry but direct your anger at the right people. The Congress of the USA was the group of people that allowed to do trade with China as well as letting businesses manufacture their products over there. So look at at who is really responsible when you start to get angry at someone first and do something about them.
     
  3. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Evil? probably..Most evil? Definitely no...
     
  4. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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  5. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, blame the USA for china's problems. Blame the USA for doing nothing. Blame them for not doing enough. Blame them for any damn thing you wish cuz the whole world is OBSESSED with the fall of the USA right down to the Presidential Candidates themselves. :rolleyes:

    Only the Chinese people can help the Chinese people and the USA doesn't need another tribal war to look after.
    Call Blackwater. Have your checkbook ready.
     
  6. Fraggle Rocker Moderator

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    What exactly do you expect our governments to do? Putting pressure on China is like putting pressure on the United States forty years ago. It's the 900-pound gorilla and can do whatever it wants. As for military pressure, we know all too well what happens when you go to war to "right a wrong." Sixty million people died in WWII to free the world from Hitler and Tojo, and all we got was Stalin and Mao in their place.
    You don't seem to understand that this is China's path to prosperity. All the Chinese people know it and that's why about 99.9% of them have made peace with it. Their economy is growing by 10% a year. In my youth millions of Chinese starved to death; today most of them have TV sets.

    You can't use the standards of your own comfortable life to judge the choices another people make. My country has only existed for 232 years; my people have no sense of history and are very impatient. China has been a continuous nation for four or five thousand years so they are quite comfortable with the idea of waiting several generations, even several lifetimes, for conditions to keep improving. Over the past few centuries (by their timeline) they've watched their country evolve from feudalism to Mongol occupation to pre-Enlightenment aristocracy to corrupt Westernism to Marxism into a capitalist-socialist hybrid. A Confucian society does not place a high value on the right to criticize the decisions of its elders, so the things that seem important to us are of a lower priority to them than having more food and consumer goods.
    I understand how you feel and I applaud you for being a good-hearted person. But I repeat the question, what would you have your nation do to help the Zimbabweans? War almost never works. Sub-Saharan Africa is still sorting out the problems caused by hundreds of years of meddling by modern Europeans, Arabs, even Greeks, Romans and Phoenicians. Many of the voices who seem to speak for those nations say the best thing we can do is to leave them alone to solve their own problems instead of imposing Western solutions just like the colonial powers did that got this all started.
    I've championed the cause of sending food to starving Africans... and watched while it was hijacked by their corrupt leaders and traded for Land Rovers, champagne and weapons. The problem with African nations is their leaders, not our apathy. They have to make the choice to rise up and overthrow their despots. We can't go in and do that for them, in case you haven't noticed how poorly that is working out in Iraq.
    You mistake befuddlement for apathy. It's not that we don't want to help. We just can't figure out what to do any more. After all, it was our good-intentioned campaign to reduce infant mortality with vaccines and antibiotics that brought about their population crisis. We have to face the Law of Unintended Consequences.
    You are not wrong to be angry, but you are very wrong to believe that violence is ever the solution to any problem.

    I also think you're wrong to believe that one people can solve another people's problems. You're probably also wrong to believe that all problems can be solved rapidly. Some of them take centuries. The real world is not an MOMRPG.
     
  7. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    China is hardly the world's most evil country.

    Although I suppose one inevitable result of China's rise to power is increased anti-Chinese racism, or Sinophobia.
     
  8. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    north korea is still numero uno in my book.
     
  9. draqon Banned Banned

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    Israel...
     
  10. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    who supplies nuclear weapons to totalitarians regimes? russia.
     
  11. draqon Banned Banned

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    Spock!!!! I never could finish the sentence there, my computer fried...but now that I am back I was going to write "Israel is the most peaceful country on Earth and goodness emanates from it and its people" :eek: how could you think otherwise?!!!
     
  12. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    israel has many problems. i met many israelis i wish would never be born. but we have the same problems any other country have. but the most evil country on earth?

    im just fed up with hypocritical russians like you who take pride in the killing of others, have a dictator called putin who kills all that oppose him, sell weapons to crazy muslim countries for money and power and then take pride of it.

    you are the last person on earth that can criticize any country. russia is one of the worst countries on earth.

    at least we have a democracy.
     
  13. draqon Banned Banned

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    same goes with you pal. Your country is small yet your "actions" of blood are large.

    Anyways we sell weapons to Israel, Israel buys it too.
     
  14. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    you sell weapons to iran, syria, north korea, china and pretty much anyone with money. you killed in one year more checehens then we killed palis in decades of fighting.

    you are just a hypocrite.
     
  15. draqon Banned Banned

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    hey, :D you buy? we sell.

    thats not true

    you suggested your own definition of self
     
  16. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    yes it is.
     
  17. draqon Banned Banned

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    made up statistics
     
  18. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    sure sure. and im the cornered one:p
     
  19. BlueMoose Guest

    Most evil...?...that varies from day to day.
     
  20. The Devil Inside Banned Banned

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    i live in belgium. can you explain to me why i am the only westerner in my integration courses?
    5 polish, 1 nigerian, 2 turks, 1 american (me), and 17 chechnyans.
     
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