Fraggle, I am running out of time and you say so much, we could talk forever, with post too long for most to read. Maybe we should start a thread about human evolution and the role grandparents played in transitioning us to civilized human beings. It was not the young who did this, but the old. I would love to talk about this with you. Also biologically our brains are limited, and perhaps we should start a thread for this? It is most unusual for a person to know more than 500 people, and this is really stretching ourselves. It is highly unlikely even if we did know the names of 500 people and recognize their faces, that we would know much about them, their families and other details of their lives. Our brain energy is limited and for this reason we dehumanize each other. We react to humans as extensions of the cash register or phone, or whatever is the tool of their occupation. This is why a concept of good manners is essential. It is by living with agreements and with a concept of good manners, that these strangers can get a long and share a community without killing each other. For sure one human is not equal to another, because our brains absolutely can not manage seeing all people as equal. Some have to be more important to us than others. That said, the original purpose of education was to prepare children for life. Not to prepared children as products for industry. Liberal education resulted in a very different culture than education for technology. Most of us lived on farms and our children were our labor force. Parents did not have to send their children to school but could make them work and bring home their pay. Labor laws prevented industry from hiring children to work during school hours, but nothing stopped parents from keeping children at home to work, or sending them out on the streets to shine shoes and bring home the money, but then they did not need an education anyway. When I came of age a person didn't need to be able to read to get a job. Heck, a person didn't even need to speak English in the factories where I worked. Early industry made it easy for people to be extensions of machines, and we did not have the mentality of affluence we had today, because most people were poor. Dang out to time, but come on, you can do better. Our reality has changed a lot and I am sure you can think of a few things that have changed. An 8 year old kid is not going to be able to earn money doing a farm job, and a family is not going to join grandma and grandpa on the farm during hard times. We had work houses and we would do well to have some work houses today. Sure inner cities have had slums since the beginning of the industrial revolution, but really, in this day and age of no longer having a labor intense economy, because technology has replaced the need for human labor, we have a plenty of just about everything. Our problem is no longer shortages but how to distribute resources, and manage the problems over population has created. One of those most important human needs is being accepted and needed. A civilization that fails to assimilate masses of people will fall. That is the problem we need to resolve. It is a social problem. Treating people as though they are disposable products for industry to use or reject, is not acceptable. We are human beings. How should human beings live together? What is civilized?