1. Out of nothing comes nothing. 2. Potentiality is dependent on actuality in-order to become a real being, and therefore potentiality cannot infinitely precede actuality, because that would be an example of actuality coming out of nothing. 3. Therefore there has to be an absolute and timeless actual reality that transcends all potential states (irrespective of their number) so that its being is not preceded by any potentiality; and thus not violating the first and second premise.
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What is incorrect about the premise? Can a premise even be incorrect? I know the conclusions can be...
Something CAN come out of nothing: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=92761 as has been pointed out to MoM on a number of occasions. Plus, of course, he's assuming that the rules then are the same as the rules now. See above. Duh. If I assume as a premise that dogs are purple and fully amphibious would that not be incorrect? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
. . .what would be your "observation" upon which to base (assume) your premise (that dogs are purple and amphibious)?
Oops: error. Try reading again. Yeah. Apart from the fact that there's mathematics to back up Stenger's claim. And there's still MoM's assumption that he knows what the rules were pre Big Bang.
But he is not talking about "nothing" in the sense the concept is usually understood. Usually, if we take all the socks out of the sock drawer, then we say there is "nothing" in the drawer. Usually, we think of "nothing" as 'the absence of everything.' This is what the OP means by "nothing," and it is what Stenger does not mean by "notihng."
The concept as it is usually understood is wrong. The universe doesn't act as common sense would dictate.
A concept itself cannot be wrong, it is just a concept. The question is only where it applies, and where it doesn't.
Dywyddyr doesn't realise that you have to take the maths out, not put them in. You define nothing as 1 + - 1 = 0. Then you build the universe from that. Which I can do in a simulator.
Stenger's socks are in the unphysical drawer until the first Plank time, then they materialize in the physical drawer. This checkmate in three moves denied Black a board of quantized squares.
Looks right if you are talking about the normal logical and philosophical definition of nothingness and not the scientific nothingness some talk about.
And that absolute and timeless actual reality that transcends all potential states must be anthropomorphic, right? I'm sorry, but your conclusion (and that is, in fact, what you're really driving at) does not follow from your premise(s). Honestly, that was a pretty big fail.
Do you mean: 1) if there is nothing, then no thing can come into being 2) there is something 3) therefore, there has always been something?
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