Checkmate in 3 moves

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Mind Over Matter, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. Mind Over Matter Registered Senior Member

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    1. Out of nothing comes nothing.

    2. Potentiality is dependent on actuality in-order to become a real being, and therefore potentiality cannot infinitely precede actuality, because that would be an example of actuality coming out of nothing.

    3. Therefore there has to be an absolute and timeless actual reality that transcends all potential states (irrespective of their number) so that its being is not preceded by any potentiality; and thus not violating the first and second premise.
     
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  3. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    LOL......

    From the title, I thought you might have some tips to offer for my chess game.

    My mistake.

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  5. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    Out of nothing comes nothing.. that's how the Universe works.
     
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  7. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    You can't checkmate an LHC fan.
     
  8. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Arguing from incorrect premises leads to incorrect conclusions.
    Would you like to try again?
     
  9. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

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    What is incorrect about the premise?

    Can a premise even be incorrect? I know the conclusions can be...
     
  10. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Do you wish to argue that out of nothing can come something?
     
  11. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Something CAN come out of nothing:
    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=92761
    as has been pointed out to MoM on a number of occasions.
    Plus, of course, he's assuming that the rules then are the same as the rules now.

    See above.

    Duh.
    If I assume as a premise that dogs are purple and fully amphibious would that not be incorrect?

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  12. wlminex Banned Banned

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    . . .what would be your "observation" upon which to base (assume) your premise (that dogs are purple and amphibious)?
     
  13. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    You've spent too much time with Pincho!
     
  14. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Oops: error.
    Try reading again.

    Yeah. Apart from the fact that there's mathematics to back up Stenger's claim.
    And there's still MoM's assumption that he knows what the rules were pre Big Bang.
     
  15. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    But he is not talking about "nothing" in the sense the concept is usually understood. Usually, if we take all the socks out of the sock drawer, then we say there is "nothing" in the drawer. Usually, we think of "nothing" as 'the absence of everything.'
    This is what the OP means by "nothing," and it is what Stenger does not mean by "notihng."
     
  16. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The concept as it is usually understood is wrong. The universe doesn't act as common sense would dictate.
     
  17. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    A concept itself cannot be wrong, it is just a concept.
    The question is only where it applies, and where it doesn't.
     
  18. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    Dywyddyr doesn't realise that you have to take the maths out, not put them in. You define nothing as 1 + - 1 = 0. Then you build the universe from that. Which I can do in a simulator.
     
  19. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Stenger's socks are in the unphysical drawer until the first Plank time, then they materialize in the physical drawer.

    This checkmate in three moves denied Black a board of quantized squares.
     
  20. Techne Registered Senior Member

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    Looks right if you are talking about the normal logical and philosophical definition of nothingness and not the scientific nothingness some talk about.
     
  21. Rav Valued Senior Member

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    And that absolute and timeless actual reality that transcends all potential states must be anthropomorphic, right? I'm sorry, but your conclusion (and that is, in fact, what you're really driving at) does not follow from your premise(s).

    Honestly, that was a pretty big fail.
     
  22. ughaibu Registered Senior Member

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    Do you mean:
    1) if there is nothing, then no thing can come into being
    2) there is something
    3) therefore, there has always been something?
     
  23. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Unsolicited Recommendation

    To: Mind Over Matter

    re: Unsolicited recommendation

    Many have tried. Just as many have failed. In truth, most have done better than your topic post.

    I don't say this to be cruel or demeaning. Rather, some unsolicited advice; a recommendation, if you will.

    One of the problems I have with my art is that I am inherently market oriented. Life goes on. But one of the complications that results is that I often stop short when I recognize that whatever I'm working on will not be as good as it is supposed to be. This is a problematic proposition derived from an '80s idea that everything had to be new, and in being new, also being better than what had come before. Obviously, it is an impossible goal.

    In that sentiment, I would note Perdurabo's Book of Lies, a.k.a. Liber 333.

    For instance:

    Mind is a disease of semen.

    All that a man is or may be is hidden therein.

    Bodily functions are parts of the machine; silent, unless in dis-ease.

    This I persisteth not, posteth not through generations, changeth momently, finally is dead.

    Therefore is man only himself when lost to himself in The Charioting.


    ("Steeped Horsehair")
     

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