Characteristics of Genius?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by SomethingClever, Nov 24, 2010.

  1. birch Valued Senior Member

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    a lot of people do this. this is an intelligence that is using every means of senses to gather and understand info. we tend to think of genius as something that is rare. i think that is why we call them geniuses but it's not always easy to quantify especially in a physically oriented world so we are rather practical about it.

    we could say that there are a lot of people who pick up on things which we may right now call them crackpots which some may be and some may not. in the future, their hunches or ideas may turn out to be true.
     
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  3. lambda orionis Registered Member

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    my IQ is 165 but im retarted lol
     
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  5. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    I'd bet on the latter.

    That's where "unlearning" is necessary. The public school system (among other systems) is designed to produce average people capable of following directions. It is a system that has helped to fuel the society economically. However, a major drawback is that it's a disservice to those geared towards the creative side. Creativity is killed when life revolves around following the rules and taking orders without question.

    Having been out of school for some number of years now, I am starting to find my creative voice again. When I was a kid, I was an entrepreneur, an explorer, and very outspoken. I ran my own window cleaning business, performed magic shows, explored my neighborhood far beyond the limits of where I was allowed to go, shared all my discoveries, never knew how to keep my mouth shut, etc. But in the course of many years in school, I was put on Ritalin and reprehended for not following the rules. I came out of it being a "good citizen" of society. But, I also had a feeling of being quite dead inside. I felt scammed. When referencing my roots, it doesn't feel right to me to get out into the world and do everything a "normal" adult does. Get a 9-5, get married, have 3 kids, buy useless and unfulfilling consumer products, retire on a beach, and die with nothing to say.
     
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  7. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    If you look at an IQ test, many aspects of the test require on the fly judgements for situations where an answer could not have been memorized from previous learning. Many answers requires logic and ingenuity to get a result they may never have been seen before. Because of time and space requirements, all you need is the answer but not the solution; processing is done semi-unconsciously for the needed speed.

    When genius applies itself in the real world, the same schema happens in the real world. An Einstein knows the answer with or without the solution due to the way it crystalizes out in the brain. However, those who are not wired that way, need to see the cause and effect of the solution that leads to answer so they can memorize and/or understand. The Einstein will start with the effect (solution) then find the cause. When complete, the paper is written in the cause and effect style, making many think this was how it was gone from the beginning.

    A musical genius will not just copy and recite. Rather he/she will extrapolate in ways that are not already cast in stone. He may start with the riff (music answer) and then go back and write the song (solution) Once the song is complete, others wil hear it in the normal cause and effect way. The genius has to be able to go both ways; effect-cause then cause and effect. The crackpot may only be able to do effect-cause. Without the conversion to cause and effect, it appears to come out of the air crossing the line between genius and insanity.
     
  8. SomethingClever Registered Senior Member

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    That concept of "unlearning" is fascinating (and sad, really)

    Public schools are a complete rejection of creativity. I think this is partially the reason so many people are miserable in middle school/ high school (for other reasons, read this gem)

    I am increasingly thankful for my elementary school (every Friday was devoted to various art forms)

    If I had a dollar for every time I've heard, "Tim I loved reading this, BUT..."
    ...talk about being confined to a fit expectation of what is "normal" or "standard"-- do things your own way, with your own style, and rejection is inevitable (except by those few wise educators who see the light-- but as Paul Graham says, they are alone and swimming upstream)

    I've found that college professors have a greater appreciation for a creative mind-- but not as much for creative work! That's mostly a self-inflicted wound though, I was a lemming and followed my cousins into the Communication Studies field, a major which essentially mocks the very notion of unique, original thought, and embraces complexity in things that are really quite simple.

    Whereas I take pride in turning the "complicated" into the "simple", public school does precisely the opposite--- for instance, there are apparently 400 pages worth of text material on how to measure the effectiveness of a speech--- what a load of ****! I think measuring a good speech is very simple: Did it make you think and did it make you feel? What more do you really need?

    In the last few months I've realized how robotic I've become-- and I am doing everything in my power to harness the creativity I had back in the day when I was truly happy, back in the day when every Friday was devoted to art.
     
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  9. birch Valued Senior Member

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    yes, this is very true. and there are other situations though. there are people who are surviving hand to mouth all over the globe where their talents or abilities will never develop or it will never be known. or they live in a place/time that will not recognize it.

    we tend to only identify the people that are known but it's just more complicated than that.

    let's use the example of michael jordan who is an amazing basketball player. i bet you two hundred years ago, he would have been a nobody. without the environment and/or medium to bring out, develop or notice the talent, it just won't be recognized and in some cases never developed. that's the same with just about any other ability.
     
  10. nicholas1M7 Banned Banned

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    Then you would be contradicting yourself. Therefore the latter must be the correct assessment.

    Genius is creativity, originality, superiority. The ability to express an idea or a concept and obtain all of one's desires. To align the inner reality of the mind with the outer reality of the universe. It is the ability to see with a clarity but not necessarily with a correctiveness. This is why sciforums is home to many geniuses who are also called crackpots (we also have a few morons, you know who you are Magical Realist). It is the ability to see something in a complete and intuitive manner.
     
  11. lambda orionis Registered Member

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    im obviously not a retartd just joshing, I have a 165 IQ that gets used everyday just waiting for it to pay off someday and im not talking about monetary values.
     
  12. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    :roflmao:

    Nothing "obvious" about it.
     
  13. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    Really? Waiting is your fatal mistake. You'll "wait" many lifetimes because blind luck when it comes to breakthroughs is an extreme rarity.

    Though, I bet a genius such as your self already knows this better than I ever will.

    I recommend that you read The Psychology of Invention in the Mathematical Field. He discusses, among many things, the process involved in leading up to great ideas and why they are no random accident. True, there is a "waiting period" in the process, but it happens only after INTENSE fixation on the problem to be solved.
     
  14. quinnsong Valued Senior Member

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  15. lambda orionis Registered Member

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    Dywyddyr, your always so quick to put somebody down I didnt spell one word right and you jump up and down on it, you must have been abused as a child or something because you troll on this forum looking for myself and others to attack. Dont even bother responding unless you have something decent and intelligent to say, stop being an energy vampire and grow up. I work from 10PM till after 8AM then work some more on the same topic im payed for, excuse me if I spell 1 word wrong.
     
  16. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    On the contrary, not only did you spell a word incorrectly (which is a staple of your posts), but your grammar, syntax and punctuation are also abysmal. Your posts, in general, show that you are far from being a genius.
    Oh, and you're also given to inane and fallacious suppositions, to wit:
     
  17. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    I think the actual term you are looking for is "sub-concious", un-concious isn't going to give much of a reaction, if any reaction at all. "sub-conciousness" exists while awake and even asleep, the simplest explanation I would give is that it's proportion of a Neural network that deals with "Prefetching" relevant data or "pre-processing", a "multitasking" process.

    In some people that can prove to have an intelligence that can be observed as "Genius", their sub-conscious will take in information that other people usually miss and likely allow them to remember that information when an observation at some other time period meets a particular criteria.

    It's also the main way to attempt to stimulate memory, since if you can reconstruct a scenario or meet the criteria you'll remember the name, date, or where you put your keys that is otherwise "on the tip of your tongue".
     
  18. lambda orionis Registered Member

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    I never once said that I was a genius, just that I have a 165 IQ. Now again this is'nt English Comp is it? I did'nt think so, like I said you just want to attack people for the little things like the way I structure a post on a thread, the things I do on the daily you would'nt have the intellectual capacity to comprehend. Like I said grow up stop attacking people for the little things and argue about something bigger and better other than how I did'nt spell retard right and how I structure a post. Nobody cares but you!!!!

    Back to the main point i just ordered that book Absane so ill be reading it very soon thank you for the suggestion.

    Intellectuals solve problems; geniuses prevent them.

    Albert Einstein
     
  19. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    165 IQ just happens to be well into genius level.

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    And the thread is about genii. Got it yet?

    Wrong.

    Assumption.
     
  20. lambda orionis Registered Member

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    I am fully aware that 165 is well into the genius level and I was fully aware of that when I started making post in this thread why must you keep doing this? of course what i said about you not having the intellectual capacity to do what I do on the daily is an assumption but an assumption based on your ignorance. In which I think I am right which tends to happen alot.
     
  21. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Then you admit you were wrong here:
    Since you admit that one is a claim of the other.

    Except that all you have to support your contention of my "ignorance" is yet another assumption.

    Not so far...
     
  22. SomethingClever Registered Senior Member

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    how much faith can we put into IQ tests?
    were they designed by a genius?

    I'd guess that genius is more a way of thinking rather than finding correct answers--- the notion that a test accurately shows intelligence seems a bit odd, or incomplete.
     
  23. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

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    Individually... none. It would be a terrible idea to let a test tell you your unintelligent. The reverse is the same as we would not want to expand an ego from test results alone.
    Yes a long history of intelligent people could equal a genius. But it is just a test that resolves the standard deviation of the overall population and tells you where your test scores fall into.

    Could something truly be considered genius if it is wrong?

    To be genius you must create an unseen truth.
     

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