Characteristics of Genius?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by SomethingClever, Nov 24, 2010.

  1. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    That wud bee me than. I are absoulotely a geneous.
     
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  3. Bebelina Feminazi Messiah Valued Senior Member

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    That's about it.
     
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  5. birch Valued Senior Member

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    i have been called weird a lot. anyone that people perceive to be different will usually be labeled "weird" but that doesn't mean they are a genius either. weird can be anything from being incorrect to seeing things in a different way. i do often have strange ideas that have no basis in reality or can't be grounded but i do know the difference. i think genius is being able to ground ideas and make them into reality, that is if it's beneficial rather than harmful. i think creativity without a conscience is madness and the ultimate stupidity.

    i did go from a shy (unless i knew people), sensitive and imaginative child who liked to draw a lot and was a perfectionist to a crass and aggressive person but when it comes to important issues, i know to draw on my sense of conscience and it kicks in.

    i did retain most of my analness, however.
     
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  7. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    My wife is a genius. She really is. I take ideas that I think are awesome to her, and I'm all excited and...she just totally lets the air out of them like an old tire. Psssst.

    Not in a mean way...it's just so obvious to her that something is so...and she'll just say it, and blaaah, splat.
    :shrug:

    I cannot get much of an ego married to her.
     
  8. Spud Emperor solanaceous common tater Registered Senior Member

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    Chimpkin, I'm in exactly the same boat.
    And I have a genius son to boot.
    I'm no idiot (now, now) but sometimes I feel like a fool in their presence.
    Fortunately they have their weaknesses and I even have flashes of brilliance.
    When the two circumstances coincide I feel a little less dumb.

    They both have their incredibly powerful intellectual strengths and the things they believe they don't do well are still way beyond most people's capabilities.
     
  9. birch Valued Senior Member

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    in reality, most people are not geniuses. there are very highly intelligent people though. one doesn't have to be a genius to make a difference. there are those with some of the highest iq's who have contributed little to nothing. a genius is usually one who solves a problem intelligent people have been unable to. einstein was a genius, most of his colleagues were not, even though they also had very high iq's. einstein was able to think outside the box more than them and that is why.

    there are a lot of "ingenious" people though which we usually don't call them geniuses because there are so many of them. there are artists, fashion designers, music producers etc. but especially fiction writers, many of them are geniuses as in very creative.
     
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  10. SomethingClever Registered Senior Member

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    "talent hits a target few others can hit, genius hits a target no one else can see"
     
  11. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    I find it a bit upsetting that no one commented on my post. I'm also a bit perplexed to find that in the history of sciforums, a community supposedly comprised of humans equipped with above-average intelligence, that this is the only thread specifically devoted to the discussion of what a genius is. Maybe I'm wrong, but feel free to link to any other thread.

    True. However, I could argue that perhaps 50% of the population has the capability of developing their own unique skill sets that would parallel genius. One of many characteristics of a genius is a strong work ethic. It may seem like the best ideas in the world come out of thin air (like Einstein's theories) but that's only because we are unaware of all the work that went into that idea. We seem to romanticize the image of Einstein sitting on a bus and out of the blue coming up with his idea of Special Relativity, launching his career and stardom. However, he set everything in motion at least 10 years prior and spent much of his free time between the two events doing physics. There is nothing sexy about working your ass off for 10 years and it doesn't make for a great story, so no one talks about that. What does make for a sexy story is to somehow relate him to everyone else, as being a normal person, who, through shear luck alone had a brilliant insight. At least that way, people can find a way to relate to him and idly fantasize that maybe one day we, too, will have an idea like Einstein. It doesn't work that way.

    You know those times in everyday life when you have that brief intuitive flash when trying to recall someone's name or remembering what where you misplaced your keys? That e-x-a-c-t same process is genius at work. Just imagine if you combined that with YEARS of study and hard work in any field. Of course, it only works if you possess an open mind, too. A closed mind does not allow ideas to fuse, much in the same way if you were looking for your keys but your closed mind is "sure" they are in your bedroom when in fact they are not and your intuition is telling you otherwise.

    This is a quote about open-mindedness. I might dare to add that a genius will explore any target he hits. He might throw a dart, miss the bullseye, evaluate the situation, and then might conclude that he was please to hit where he did.
     
  12. birch Valued Senior Member

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    first of all, i don't find the members here to be all that intelligent. they are intelligent in a very logical, superficial way like a computer is intelligent or everyone is intelligent in their own way. some of them are so superficial it's hard to believe they are not joking. i also don't see much ability to think outside the box even when something is obvious that doesn't coincide with current societal conditioning but i see a lot of rote learning.

    i never said that einstein was winging it or that is something to be proud of. it's obvious he put a lot of work and thought into it and experienced moments of frustration grappling with it.

    there are many ingenious people as was mentioned. an interest is the motivator and start of anything. everyone is capable of their own type of genius, so to speak. besides, everyone is ignorant or dumb in some way as well as their areas of talent or intelligence differ and that includes those of high iq. this is why life has so much variety and different types of people with varying abilities and talents. we don't go to a doctor to get a wonderful meal or to a physicist to hear great music etc
     
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  13. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Nah, but at least the people here can spell, which does make the members mostly better than some places on the 'net.

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  14. birch Valued Senior Member

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    that was lame because not every forum has a fusion of misspellers. besides, one can spout nonsense even with perfect grammar and spelling. if you don't believe me, read a bible commentary or get a clue perhaps.

    did anyone say that this forum was all stupid or the most intelligent? it is a combination of people but my opinion is that they are not all that intelligent, maybe some of them are who are very knowledgeable in their specialty or work.

    that's just my opinion.
     
  15. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Me too, like this:

    "Hey, genius, don't you know how to ride a bicycle?"
     
  16. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Really smart people marry a SMARTER person than them. What is the point of marrying a dumbass????
     
  17. birch Valued Senior Member

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    well, if she is smarter than him, then she did marry a dumbass relative to her.
     
  18. SomethingClever Registered Senior Member

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    Absane- I loved your initial post. It was insightful and in my opinion spot-on.
    In fact it was that very post that made creating this thread worthwhile.

    edit: in fact your post was genius in itself -- takes one to know one, perhaps?

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  19. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    There are things I might have said with slight difference in that post, but in doing so I'll start myself in an endless loop of constant re-evaluations. Any discussion on genius isn't without differing opinions and it isn't without it's complications or controversies.

    One thing I'd like to add is that genius isn't always recognized when it happens, and I might dare say that sometimes it may NEVER be recognized. The reasons are many. One is: social constructs can be very rigid. So, even proof that the earth is round can go unrecognized for a long time. Secondly, sometimes the producer of genius isn't well equipped with the capabilities that would allow for communications of his or her ideas on a scale that is accessible to other people.

    As for me being a genius. Hrm... I very much doubt it. I have enough intelligence and creativity to know that I could, in theory, become one if I learned how to cultivate the work ethic needed. But, then again, any one with above-average intelligence and a creative mind could become one. That's my contention, so I don't feel to be anything special.
     
  20. birch Valued Senior Member

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    this is true. how many unknown people exist in the world where their situation probibits them from developing their full potential? most likely very many. how many people even in the past were unknown due to circumstances? probably very many.

    even using simple examples of how we have famous people today with some talent that is recognized. if you are in a society that is not geared to recognizing that talent or gift, it will go unnnoticed, undeveloped or even rejected. let's take for instance those who can sing and have become well known, i'm sure there were many people even in the past who were great singers who never even had a chance to become known for this talent. silly example, no american idol. people focused on eating and surviving or different talents or abilities were considered more recognizably worthy or people were not given credit for what they did. it's also your circumstances as well as society has to be ready to recognize genius or some types of genius just can't be marketable.
     
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  21. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    There is a saying, there is a fine line between genius and insanity. In both cases, the unconscious mind is involved doing the data crunching in the background. Genius is able to harness this, turning the output into practical reality. The unconscious mind is like the CPU of the brain, with the conscious mind like a terminal. The CPU gives output and the terminal decompresses it into a solution.

    As an analogous example, say you met someone you didn't like, but can't explain why this is the case. The unconscious did the data crunching and came to that conclusion which the person intuitively feels. The insane person may just react for no apparent outward reason. The genius, If he trust his hunches, might work under the assumption this is true. Now he needs to figure out the logic. He may ask questions to gather recon or talk to the person, until you begin to formulate the solution. Now he sees to have genius perception.

    A musical genius may hear a tune in their head. If you trust your instincts with this, you build the song (solution).
     
  22. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    (a) Was agreeing with you
    (b) Either you don't get my sense of humor or you don't like it
    (c) Are we miscommunicating again?:facepalm:
     
  23. birch Valued Senior Member

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    yeah, i totally used an incorrect word. it should have been 'profusion'.
     

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