Causality and creation of the universe

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by s0meguy, Jun 29, 2007.

  1. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    no whats impossible is for something to be born from nothing without a cause. your saying non existence can just for the sheer hell of it without any reason atall just turn into existence. thats illogical,

    cause and effect within an infinite circle is possible, an everlasting set of cause and effect wich had no start. we as mortal humans have trouble grasping the idea of true infinity. but thats only because we think of things in temporary terms as wisdom S stated.

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  3. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    I think the idea is that God existed forever and the universe was made by God at some point in His "time".....

    It must have taken forever for Him to devise us, that's for sure...

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  5. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    he knows this is the belief anyway, i dont think he was actualy expecting an answer that he would take seriously anyway.

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  7. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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    There can't be a "cause" for Anything because if there is then that "cause" also needs a Fucking-cause unless it's the Only-cause (Nothing, No-Cause).

    YOU mortals can't understand MY infinity because you live in time. But I live in this Eternal-Fucking-Moment.

    The-Fucking-Truth is that Nothing is created, and at the same time Everything is created, and it doesn't need a cause, but it needs, and it doesn't Matter because it's all a Fucking-Joke.
     
  8. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    i dont believe in time, i think the universe is infinite and time does not exist,

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  9. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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    i don't believe in that Shit either, it's Nothing but thoughts but it's ALSO real be-cause James R (or Whoever) be-lie-ves in time, and he believes in it because it's a Fact proven by Ein-steins Wormholes.

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  10. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    nowdays facts are subjective.

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  11. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    lightgigantic:

    What has that got to do with causality and the creation of the universe?



    Yorda:

    What was the cause of God, then?
     
  12. Yorda Registered Senior Member

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    nothing because likie i said before... god is nothing... just a fantasy
     
  13. Sci-Phenomena Reality is in the Minds Eye Registered Senior Member

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    It may be hard for your human minds to comprehend, but the universe always has been and always will be, it wasn't created, it always has been, so from my athiest point of view I AM GOD since life is so scarce and spread out in the universe!!
     
  14. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    So the big bang didn't happen?
     
  15. Xelios We're setting you adrift idiot Registered Senior Member

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    It may not have been the beginning

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  16. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Possibly not, but is there anything other than supposition to to support that idea?
     
  17. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    JamesR

    there is no understanding of exactly how, when and where consciousness developed from matter (plenty of theories no doubt)

    there is not even an understanding how, when and where matter can form complex formations without the assistance of consciousness
    (plenty of theories no doubt)

    (how many millions of years do you think it would take for a room with a box of crayons and a roll of paper to evolve into a crayon picture of a planet without the conscious contribution of a six year old?)
     
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  18. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    no offense - but somehow I think the god mentioned in scripture is a bit more substantial than yourself
     
  19. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    lightgigantic:

    What's the process for the evolution?

    Sounds like you have a random element there, but nothing like natural selection.
     
  20. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    hence my comment about the problem of consciousness
     
  21. Possumking I think, I am? Registered Senior Member

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    Assume for a moment that "God" did create the universe, that he was the first un-caused creator.

    Other than attributing this god with having started everything, why attribute him with any other powers at all --why, as many religions do, attribute him with omnipotence, omnipresence, omnibenevolence, omniscience . Based on the assumption I first stated, is it not just as reasonable to say that this god created the universe and then disappeared forever.

    I should also state that I don't agree with my stated assumption. Regarding the "first cause issue", I find it satisfying enough to admit that I really don't know what happended. I mostly hold beliefs on what didn't happen, opposed to holding beliefs on what did happen.

    Who knows, maybe our minds are just looking for patterns. All that we know and deal with is temporary. Is it so unreasonable to say that our reasoning and intuition may be flawed?

    Maybe cause and effect do not govern everything. From my utterly amateur knowledge of modern physics, don't many interpretations of quantum mechanics call for purely random events? Events without causes?
     
  22. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    non-sequitor
    if you give god the status of eternal, this problem doesn't arise

    Other than attributing this god with having started everything, why attribute him with any other powers at all --why, as many religions do, attribute him with omnipotence, omnipresence, omnibenevolence, omniscience . Based on the assumption I first stated, is it not just as reasonable to say that this god created the universe and then disappeared forever.[/QUOTE]
    not at all actually

    if you examine the contingent relationships between energy and the energetic (like say, electricity and a power house) its obvious that if you take away the cause you also take away the effect
     
  23. cole grey Hi Valued Senior Member

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    That all makes more sense to me than the whole "if God created this, what created God?" thing. Especially paragraph #2.
     

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