Cartoons - bad for your health?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by GeoffP, Feb 1, 2006.

  1. Happeh Registered Senior Member

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    Let's talk about the real issue.

    Say something about Jews, you are arrested and jailed.

    Say something about muslims, no problem.

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    Double-Faced, Double-Standard West:

    Anti-Semitism is a crime punished by law

    Anti-Islamic cartoons and articles are freedom of expression
     
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  3. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Cartoon update: People even more pissed than before

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    http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060203/muhammed_cartoon_follow_060203

    Muslim anger over Muhammad cartoons grows
    CTV.ca News

    A controversial cartoon, first published in a Danish newspaper, continues to fuel protests by Muslims around the world, including large rallies in the Gaza Strip and Iraq and raucous demonstrations outside the Danish embassies in Indonesia, Pakistan, Turkey and Malaysia.

    One of the cartoons depicts the Prophet Muhammad wearing a bomb-shaped turban with a burning fuse. In another, a Soviet star and crescent moon are superimposed over his face.

    Droves of Muslims marched through Palestinian cities on Friday burning the Danish flag and threatening repercussions for the European countries where the cartoons were published.

    "Bin Laden our beloved, Denmark must be blown up," protestors in Ramallah shouted, Associated Press reported.

    [Well, I keep hearing about how ordinary muslims in the ME don't support Osama Bin Laden, so this must be some other bomb-toting Bin Laden. Shecky Bin Laden, maybe. - Geoff]

    An imam at a Gaza City mosque told all 9,000 worshippers that the people behind the cartoons should all have their heads cut off.

    [Ahh, islam...the religion of pieces. - Geoff]

    The Palestinian legislature was taken over by Hamas gunmen as 10,000 demonstrators chanted "Down, down Denmark," AP reported.

    Thousands protested in other Palestinian cities including Nablus and Jenin where Danish flags and product imports were burned.

    After weekly prayer services in Iraq, about 4,500 people held a rally in Basra while hundreds in Baghdad demonstrated outside of a mosque, AP reported. The protestors burned the Danish flag and threw Danish-made products into the flames.

    Iraq's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, condemned the cartoon depictions in a posting on his website Jan. 31.

    "We strongly denounce and condemn this horrific action," al-Sistani said.

    [The cartoon, that is. - Geoff]

    However, the cleric did not encourage any protests and he even placed some responsibility on militant Muslims for the negative way that Islam is depicted, AP reported.

    He said some segments of the Muslim community were "misguided and oppressive" and that their actions "projected a distorted and dark image of the faith of justice, love and brotherhood."

    [Yes...very big segments of the community, apparently. - Geoff]

    At the Danish embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, more than 150 protestors pushed passed security into the building's lobby demanding an apology for the cartoons.

    They were unable to get up to the embassy on the 25th floor but they did tear the Danish flag down and set it on fire. They also pelted the embassy with eggs.

    "We are not terrorists, we are not anarchists, but we are against those people who blaspheme Islam," one protestor shouted, AP said.

    In Islamabad, Pakistan, about 800 people shouted "Death to Denmark" and "Death to France" while around 1,200 people demonstrated in the southern city of Karachi.

    [Curious...have we ever chanted "Death to Pakistan" despite the kind of sick oppression of women and religious minorities that goes on there? Don't think so. I'll check my calendar. - Geoff]

    The country's parliament condemned the drawings as "vicious" in a unanimous vote.

    In Turkey, hundreds protested in Istanbul, with many making their way to the Danish consulate.

    "Hands that reach Islam must be broken," a group of muslims chanted outside of an Istanbul mosque, AP reported.

    [Ahh - liberal Turkey. - Geoff]

    At Islam's third holiest site, Jerusalem's Al Aqsa Mosque, Israel banned access to Palestinians aged 45 and under.

    About 100 men did protest outside Jerusalem's Old City on Friday chanting Islamic slogans and carrying Hamas flags. Israeli police broke up the protest along with another one at Damascus Gate using tear gas and stun grenades, AP reported.

    The caricatures of the Prophet were first published by Jyllands-Posten, a Danish newspaper, in September. They were republished in papers in France, Norway, Germany, Switzerland and Hungary this week, causing tension that quickly spread around the Muslim world.

    On Friday, Belgium, Italy and Spain's leading newspaper, El Pais, became the latest papers to run the images.

    "What shame, Europe gives into Islam and apologizes for the satire of Allah," Libero, an Italian right-wing paper, wrote in a Friday headline.

    Muslims worldwide are outraged as Islam strictly forbids any depiction of the revered father of the religion. Even positive images of the Prophet Muhammad are not allowed to prevent idolatry in the religion.

    Canadian reaction

    Syed Soharwardy, of the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada, appeared on Canada AM Friday saying that Canadian Muslims were upset but that they were dealing with the situation constructively, by emailing and phoning officials.

    [Supreme Council...? What is this, the Soviet Union? I'm a socialist, and the use of the phrase "Supreme Council" worries me. - Geoff]

    "The Muslims in Canada, they are outraged," Soharwardy said. "They are expressing their anger through peaceful means… they are protesting against these horrible cartoons that have offended Muslims around the world."

    Soharwardy said he received an email from a Danish media watch group, dated Dec. 14, that outlined peaceful ways that the international Muslim community initially tried to deal with the situation.

    "They tried very hard to ask them to withdraw the cartoons and apologize, nothing happened," he said. "They contacted us in December and said that we should do something about it."

    Globe and Mail cartoon columnist, Brian Gable, said that the debate lies between freedom of expression and the freedom not to be offended. He said that one taboo area is religious faith, but not how people use their faith.

    "If someone of any faith chooses to proceed with a violent act, I feel that's fair game," Gable said.

    But Soharwardy said there has to some restrictions.

    "The freedom of expression has to have some limits," Soharwardy said. "Would they make fun of any ethic group in Canada? Aboriginal people, South Asians, Chinese community?"

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    But of course, what Mr Soharwardy doesn't understand is that Christians - even Christ - and Jews are pilloried quite regularly in western media, and no one feels the need to riot, decapitate others, call for the destruction of entire countries or burn flags over it.

    Geoff
     
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  5. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    Where?? When? Have you ever even been to the west??
     
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  7. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    No you did not make any serious observation you made a smart alec derisive answer . And as for the insult you made an unprovoked attack on me and insulted me in the same manner on the CNN thread last night , so why are you taking offense ?
    That is not what I asked , I gave a similar and even more disturbing act of cultural insensitivity in Scandanavia . And you are avoiding answering the comparison in reactions .
    On one hand we have here a Scandanavian nation displaying a defiant attitude over these cartoons and in comparison with the Isreali act of cultural vandalism this same Scandanavian nation apologizes and removes the artwork which offended the Israeli ambassador . WHY ?
    His link made no mention of his claim to me which was ......
    Looks like he is making it up .
    Really ! Or are you just once agin sensationalising an incicident as an opportunity to fan more Anti-Arab feelings on this forum and others .
    Not in relation to these cartoons and could I see your source for this incitement to murder .
    Oh yeah blow it out of proportion ...........
    70 protestors in a nation of 280 million people , and they BARGE in what a play on words .
    No you and other posters here have an unnatural fasicination for posting anything that stereotypes Arabs down to levels of insane fanatics intent on murdering all non-believers .
    What the Fuck has this to do with what is happening with these cartoons .
    No one has died and no one will die over these cartoons .
    Whenever you post it always has some Anti-Arab bias to it , and because I have disagreed with you , you have insinuated that I was an Arab and made derogatory Anti-Arab remarks to me . This thread of yours is just another mask to promote Anti-Arab feelings under the guise of concern about religious intolerance .
     
  8. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    Everybody here in Norway pretty much thought he was an idiot. Yet the art work was on display just as the drawings of muhammed were on display Some differences

    1. Nobody but nobody was threatened with death by israel or israelis.
    2. The artwork glorified a suicide bomber, Glorifying warfare and killing is not very scandinavian.
    3. Almost daily there are articles railing against israel here calling them an occupying power etc. no reaction
     
  9. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    Yet Sweden pulled the artwork from the exhibition and apologised to the Israeli goverment . Yet here in an act of defiance Demark is offering nothing and is carrying on with support , kind of hypocritical wouldnt you say ?
    Thats because you choose to be selective in what you wish to read or print .
    How is that un Scandanavian ?
    Show me a Scandanavian media source which has called for the right of return for Palestinians and calls for Israel to make reparations to the Palestinians for war crimes , and then we will see a reaction from Israel .
     
  10. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    No, Rasmussen did apoligize if anyones sensibilities were hurt. as did the editor of Jyllands post and the Norweigan foreign minister and the head of France Soir in addition to firing the editor whoprinted the pics. etc etc dispite the fact that the government has NOTHING to do with what is printed in a paper.
    Israel felt offended by a show in a gallery the ambassador actedlike an ass was escorted from the premises so israel made a DIPLOMATIC protest, no violence no calls for killing swedish citizens.
    Now several arab govts have recalled thier ambassadors and made protests. Great, fine, that is thier right.
    But muslims in the last 2 days have amongst other things
    stoned the Norweigan aid offices in Darfur, stoned the Norweigan embassy in Indonesia,only police intervention stopped them from doing more threatened Norweigan, and other peacekeepers diplomats, citizens and aid workers with death if they didn't get an apology in 48 hours. Surrounded the EUs offices in Gaza and threatened to level themin 48 hours if they didn't get an apology etc etc.

    Find a mirror.


    Settling issues by killing people especially innocents, this relates to jews and muslims alike no difference

    Why the hell should I waste my time


    PS fuk muhammed,
     
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  11. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe he would, but that isn't saying much. Apartheid censors banned Black Beauty (the book about the horse) because they thought it had to do with black power. Go figure

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  12. Kunax Sciforums:Reality not required Registered Senior Member

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    Brian Foley, regarding the suicede bomber art(or what you want to called), why do you incists on confusing Denmark with Sweden on this issue.
     
  13. Kunax Sciforums:Reality not required Registered Senior Member

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    http://www.cphpost.dk/get/93695.html
    a good little artical, I dont like what his says ind the ending paragrafs, because freespeach is to easly lost to self censor and fear.
    I also think his sugar coating it juuust a little with how much he was affected by they sandals and the painting, ok i admit it i think his a lying twit.

    http://www.cphpost.dk/get/93767.html
     
  15. Alejandro -2 Minutes To Midnight- Registered Senior Member

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    well Brian i am not going to argue with you, my comment was on "Hollywood has had a consistent record of Arab stereotyping and bashing." that you pasted in.

    These movies stereotype EVERYONE, mostly American stereotypes. Have you ever seen Deliverance?

    You prolly know Edie Murphy plaed Axl Foley...same name you have.
     
  16. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Easy - they compared the accidental death of Palestinians during the intifadah (a war, I might add) to the Holocaust.

    The saddest thing is that your propaganda isn't even well thought-out. Wrecking art devoted to shadeedism is cultural insensitivity? You're suggesting that suicide bombings are somehow "cultural" for Palestinians? Killing Jews is somehow cultural now for muslims? Was it always so? Don't bother to claim after the fact that you're talking about the cartoons - you described it as a separate act.

    I'd be pissed too. Six million of my people dead and now an artist is glorifying a suicide bomber who killed herself to kill 19 more of my people because she was too stupid to question what she'd been taught? I'd probably piss on the damned thing. She's "Snow White" now? Her "sins have been washed away" by the spilling of Jewish blood? Fuck that shit. I'd have goddamned helped Mazel knock it down and shat on her picture, frankly.

    Raging Rasulallah - connect the dots, Foley. There is, "agin", no sensationalism here, lest it be in massive outbursts of hatred and calls for murder and destruction about a few bloody cartoons. (And if you want links for those, scan the article I posted just now from the Globe and Mail. Sad.) And you don't seem to have the faintest conception that the "protestors" want to kill people over these cartoons and that the only reason they haven't is because there weren't any to hand. Are you dense? An imam says that the cartoonists and editors should be decapitated and you don't get it? Crowds call for the destruction of Denmark and you don't understand? Don't feign ignorance - not even you are that stupid.

    Gee they broke into the building and threw garbage at the office. I wonder what would have happened had they actually encountered any Danes? Don't give me this nonsense that it's of limited distribution either - there have been any number of islamic attacks on minority religions and foreigners in Indonesia and you know it.

    Arabs? Who the fuck said anything about Arabs? The connection is religious expression, not race, you dense git. Islam and its followers overreact; or do you now not understand that either?

    I cut this comment off partway because I couldn't be bothered to read it any further. I do not post anti-Arab bias, nor bias of any kind. I have deep reservations about the islamic religion, since it seems like Robertsonian Christianity on a steady diet of crack and islamic supremacy. There are many moderate muslims in the world, or so they say, but all the moderates I've ever met are so moderate as to have dumped their religion or become completely irreligious. They, of course, appear to occur in the West, where religious freedom (including the freedom to convert from Islam) is protected, and not in islamic countries, where converting from islam can get you imprisoned or killed.

    My posts have nothing to do with race - for I have several Christian Arab friends whose families were fortunate enough to escape from the Middle East - and everything to do with religion. I would have utterly no beef - or concern - for islam, save that it seems to have a very great deal of concern for people like me.

    Contrarily, you post nothing that is not a) an anti-Western conspiracy theory, b) thinly veiled Iranian/Palestinian/islamic supremacist propaganda, or c) both.

    Geoff
     
  17. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Sweden has historically been among the nations most critical of Israel in Europe.

    Wonder how long that'll last now?

    The worm, she be turning.

    Geoff
     
  18. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    It makes no difference ! If the Danish goverment had of acted as the Swedish goverment did over the vandalism by the Israeli diplomat that is apologizec and PULL the offending artwork from the exhibit this would never of spiralled out of control .Because this incident has taken on an international aspect and that is by design , where to make a point about censorship every Fucking corporate rag from Europe to Australia and New Zealand are printing these cartoons as a stand against muslims . So if anyone is deliberately fueling this crisis its the West .
    What if the Swedish Goverment told Israel to go fuck itself and then the Art World decides to back Sweden and sent the exhibit on a world tour of art museums as an act against Israeli censorship . What do you think would of been the reaction from Jews ?
    I couldnt give a Fuck , if Scandanavians wish to make a mountain out of a mole hill so be it . If you in Scandanvia wish to confront it by all means , but you must accept the consequences . After witnessing the Scandanavian attitude to the Tsunami where all Scandanvian aid only went to rebuilding the tourist areas Scandanvians tourists and Paedophiles visit , Scandanavians get no sympathy from me .
    I am only giving balance to this thread .
    Thats not what I asked , explain , how is the suicide bombing artwork against Scandanavian sensibilities as you claim, yet this cartoon portraying Allah with a bomb on his head not against Scandanavian sensibilities ?
    Because I am right and you cannot find any article of such a political nature .
    Agreed , Fuck Mohammed I could not care less how he is depicted , you could draw him with a pork chop in his mouth , what does he mean to me ? Im just amazed at how sanctimonious people like yourself use this opportunity to vent your racism towards your fellow human beings .
     
  19. Alejandro -2 Minutes To Midnight- Registered Senior Member

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  20. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah I have figured your post comparison backfired on you .
    Because sock puupet in his debate with me uses Scandanvia .
     
  21. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    Then how do you explain the Swedish Goverment apologizing and kow towing to the Israeli goverment by immediately pulling the artwork from the exhibition ? Where in contrast this political cartoon they are making this into a cause celebre ?
    So you are Jewish afterall .
    I have already said , this is being blown all out of proportion , there are no riots , there are no lynch mobs no one is being murdered . Yet you wish to portray this incident as an act of mass murder about to happen .
    The situation in Indonesia is a racial one , as the Indonesian archipelago is a myriad of different cultures . The current Ambionese flare up is between muslims . Maybe I ought to paste more articles on Jews in Isarel attacking and murdering Christians , like that IDF soldier who attcked that church because he hated Christians .
    Read your thraed you make only mention of Palestinian , yet again , not the international muslim furore
    . You have a habit of singling out Palestinians , Arabs and Iranians for attention .
    Where in the mideast is that ? I know in Israel it is against the law for Christians to convert Jews .
    Being the object of your racist provocations , colour me unconvinced .
    Israel is not a Western nation .
    So saying Iran has no Atomic weapons Programme is supremacist propaganda .
    Or your head is just full of non-sensical shit .
     
  22. Happeh Registered Senior Member

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    What do you expect? Google "Sayyanim".
     
  23. Brian Foley REFUSE - RESIST Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks for that , I did google Sayanim and I came up with this .
    Seems a lot of sciforums membership fits this bill .
     

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