Cartoon porn kids are people

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  1. Bricoleur Registered Member

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    I agree the court ruling is pretty p*ss poor. The only angle I can see that would give it some credence, is that by finding or encouraging humour in pedophilia/child porn, it may tend to soften the community's stance against it. Weaken our resolve by finding it cute or laughable? But I know I'm drawing a long bow!

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    they need to get real.
     
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  3. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Again, studying the History of Porn would do you good...

    OK, so the main question is this:

    Is it OK for people ti have sexual fetishes and aberrations or should we do something about it? Also: Can something be done about it? (one could argue that can not, people's sexual preferences are hardwired and almost impossible to change)

    In a perfect world, yes. Although they might not see themselves as one who needs help.

    Let's say furries. Is it a sexual aberration or harmless fun? If we allow furries to enjoy and play out their sexual fantasies why can't we do that to others AS LONG AS they don't hurt anyone???

    I am not an expert, but I would say once a pedophile, always a pedophile. Otherwise we could just cure them instead of imprisoning them.

    Hardly ever.

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    Hey, I am all for executing pedophiles as a ultimate solution! On the other hand, please argue why a pedophile who lives out his fantasies online with cartoon children and NEVER hurts anyone is more dangerous to society than a potential rapist (most male under certain circumstances)??
     
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  5. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    For extra credit:

    How the Web Prevents Rape

    http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/?nav=tap3

    "The bottom line on these experiments is, "More Net access, less rape." A 10 percent increase in Net access yields about a 7.3 percent decrease in reported rapes. "

    I assume the same stands for pedophiles molesting children....
     
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  7. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Weekend reading:

    "The incidence of rape in the United States has declined 85% in the past 25 years while access to pornography has become freely available to teenagers and adults. The Nixon and Reagan Commissions tried to show that exposure to pornographic materials produced social violence. The reverse may be true: that pornography has reduced social violence."

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=913013
     
  8. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Is it possible that rape has gone down because women now take self-protection glasses, carry mace/guns, and the internet now puts men who like dominating a woman in contact with women who like being dominated?
     
  9. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    I think it's more likely that Women aren't prepared to be targetted anymore and well this is proven with teenager girls becoming more violent.

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK...-Justice-Report/Article/200901415213687?f=rss

    Basically if a rapist threatens someone with a knife, they are likely to get themselves stabbed up.
     
  10. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    No. If one really wants to rape and dominate, noone and nothing stops him. But pornography can help the borderline cases...
     
  11. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Of course they can be stopped. :bugeye:
     
  12. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    I think the arguments you are giving are just to try and put your own mind at ease that you aren't a pervert than loves smutt. It's okay, we can understand your weakness however you don't have to stand up for all the porn kiddies out there. Some are like I said "Predators", they won't be happy with just a collection of images from some coke headed ex-prostitutes, so they put people at risk. I really wouldn't suggest standing up for them.
     
  13. DNA100 Registered Senior Member

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    What we should stop is child-abuse,not porn.
    If you ask me,the proposal of stopping all porn because there is a remote possibility that it may stop some paedophile is like stopping all mothers from giving birth because there is a possibility that a criminal may be born.
    If we need to treat paedophiles, then it can be done without stopping porn.
    And Syzgys is right, there is statistical support for porn.Sure,correlation is not causation ,but this puts forward a strong case.

    If sensual pleasure was such a bad thing then the world would not have evolved to this point.Also,there is a thing called "freedom of expression".the idea that i will tie up whoever imagines a crime happening in his head purely because it may lead him to commit a crime is just plain ridiculous!

    I think people need to realise that the bad part in a rape incident isn't the sex part itself,it's the abuse part,it's the domination part,it's the violence part!The important thing here is to spot those real criminals who don't feel for others.Stopping all porn is just not the solution.there are plenty of absoutely innocent people who like porn.
     
  14. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Excuse me, but was there an actual argument in your posts? Me thinks not.

    I understand your frustration because of your inability to deal with the issue or refute me, but that is life, get over it.

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  15. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    there are NO innocent people who like child porn
     
  16. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Let me ask you this:

    If you think that gays are not responsible for being gay, then wouldn't you say the same about pedophiles? Is a pedophile responsible for being one?

    As long as a pedophile doesn't act on his fetish and harm children he is not different than a sadist, a foot fetishist, a furry, an animal lover,etc...
     
  17. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I do believe you can be born attracted to children. You just damn well better be celibate.
    And I am not naive enough to think that cartoon child porn will satisfy their lust. Porn increases my husband's and my lust. We act on it. That cartoon child porn shows a child wanting it. I think that feeds their delusion that real children want it.
     
  18. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks Xelios, I can tell that you know what you are talking about.
    Yes, it would be difficult, and I accept with you that internet freedom with no censorship is bringing great benefits as well as difficulties.
    What do you think of the idea of having a separate domain for pornography?
     
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  19. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    I don't want to hear about how sticky your magazine pages are and this is why you think they should have porn openly on the internet. You neglect to take into consideration that *if* porn was such a great institution, why did the .XXX domain fail?
     
  20. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Stryder, since you like non-sequiturs, how about comparing our avatars? Looks like mine has all the fun and yours has the ulcer!

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  21. Xelios We're setting you adrift idiot Registered Senior Member

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    It's been tried several times but it's always failed. The biggest problem is that the internet is world wide, and different countries have different laws about what's pornographic and what isn't. ICANN, the international organization that "governs" the internet, ultimately decided that it's not their job to be the world's morality police, and that setting up a .xxx domain has some technical difficulties that make it impossible to implement fairly. At best it would have to be optional, not mandatory, for sites to use it.
    Well thanks, this stuff interests me

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    I'm a pretty liberal person and I think censorship is best left up to the individual. Everything is so much simpler if people just decide for themselves what they want to be exposed to, and it really isn't so hard to avoid content that you don't want to see. Children are another issue, but lets just say I'm not too worried about "protecting the children". IMO, children are being coddled way too much these days. By the time they're old enough to figure out how to circumvent parental control software I think they're old enough to be exposed to the world as it really is, instead of how we think it should be.
     
  22. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Come on, you're the one that wants to argue like a kid. I stated a simple reason as to how Cartoon Porn of Kids could be misuse. I don't mean Bart Simpson doing a moon run, I meant cell shaded images of real people being manipulated to look cartoony just to get past the legal system.

    I guess it should really take into consideration "Realism", so a Nude Charlie Brown won't ring the Paedophile alarmbells.
     
  23. scott3x Banned Banned

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    I think the real issue is that the thought police are coming to roost; the idea is that the mere -thought- of children being sexual is taboo; thus, depictions of it, no matter how fictional, must be banned.

    If real children doing sexual things are being cartoonized, if it's ever discovered, the people will do time. However, the idea that even depictions should get the person to do time just means we're 1 step closer to 1984's thoughtcrime.

    It's dogma, plain and simple. Call it religion or the law; religions used to make the laws, now politicians do, but the same principle applies. I think Frank Herbert of Dune fame, put it quite well when he said:
    Religion is the emulation of the adult by the child. Religion is the encystment of past beliefs: mythology, which is guesswork, the hidden assumptions of trust in the universe, those pronouncements which men have made in search of personal power, all of it mingled with shreds of enlightenment. And always the ultimate unspoken commandment is "Thou shalt not question!" But we question. We break that commandment as a matter of course. The work to which we have set ourselves is the liberating of the imagination, the harnessing of the imagination to humankind's deepest sense of creativity.
     
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