Cartoon porn kids are people

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  1. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't get your point, but I don't really care...
     
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  3. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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  5. Cellar_Door Whose Worth's unknown Registered Senior Member

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    In theory that's a good point, but so far research has only found hat access to porn DECREASES sexual crime.
     
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  7. w1z4rd Cry the beloved country Valued Senior Member

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    Okay.. so this has taken on a new level of insanity with America jumping on the cartoon porn bandwagon:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28319199/

    Points I have picked up and would like to make:

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    The act defines a "child" as a "person":
    (1.2) the term "child"(TM) means a person who has not attained
    the age of 18 years and is"
    -(A) under the perpetratorâ(TM)s care or control; or
    -(B) at least six years younger than the perpetrator;"

    2) Some Cartoons are over the age over 18 like the Simpsons for example. They're 20 years old as a point of fact.

    3) If a cartoon is now a person.. how is this going to effect the legality of political cartoons and satires?

    4) Is cartoon porn now just illegal or are art pictures like Jan van Hemessen, Madonna and Child, 1543 now considered illegal now?

    I think Judges should have to go through an IQ test before they can sit on the bench.
     
  8. DNA100 Registered Senior Member

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    why is porn wrong(specially,if it's computer generated)?never got a satisfactory answer.the idea that people will go crazy and start raping by simlply watching a porn movie is ridiculosly crazy!crime statistics have always supported porn.we should increase porn,not ban it.
     
  9. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Why not just ask "Why do we bother wearing clothes?", I think I could see a sudden trend in how our "Civilized Society" would suddenly start to fray at the edges with everyone exposing there nakey selves.
     
  10. DNA100 Registered Senior Member

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    i don't think the 2 issues are even remotely related.based on current state of the world,i can see certain issues arising from "not wearing" clothes.Althogh,it does not have to be wrong in all circumstances.but i can't see how watching computer generated porn over the internet can harm anyone.
     
  11. Enmos Staff Member

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    It's about them being kids.
     
  12. DNA100 Registered Senior Member

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    i don't think computers can generate kids.they can only generate images.but still,i can understand what u mean.
     
  13. Enmos Staff Member

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    Images of kids.
     
  14. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    So did we eventually all agree that cartoons are not real people?
     
  15. Enmos Staff Member

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    How can anyone not agree.. ?
     
  16. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Lets put it like this, if you say a Cartoon that represents a kid being naked is fine, what's to stop a paedophile running his real kiddy porn images through a "Cell shading" filter on photoshop? They could argue in a court of law that "the images were cartoons and not real people" when they know full well that they had abused children to make them.

    It's pretty simple really, stop the cartoon porn and stop the paedophile's from trying to pervert law.

    Who would actually suffer from the lack of cartoon porn?.
     
  17. Xelios We're setting you adrift idiot Registered Senior Member

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    There's an episode of South Park where Cartman is shown naked, now maybe I don't care enough "for the children", but it'd be disconcerting to know I could be arrested on child porn charges for having that episode on my hard drive.
     
  18. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    The internet needs regulating so that everything openly transmitted is in line with the content receivable on standard TV. (If you don't agree, say why.)
    These regulations were set up to define what was OK for a normal home.
    With the internet, you cannot designate a time where more adult content is acceptable, so if anything, content should be more restricted than with terrestrial or cable TV.


    Everything outside this should be available on subscription.
    Same as cable.
    Adult content should not be available at all. Unless you pay for it.

    The providers of illegal content should be pursued and prosecuted.

    The only problem is the difficulty in controlling the medium.
    There does not seem to be any great effort to do this.
    Any ideas why?
     
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  19. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    WHAT! They aren't real! :bugeye: How can you say such a thing?
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    If you can't show that kids were abused, and you can't show a picture that looks like a real kid being abused, and you can't show that there ever was a picture that looked like a real kid being abused, you can't show a crime.
    That's the current situation. I pay a subscription for internet service.

    There's a problem here, but an attempt to make evil thoughts not exist is a dubious base for handling it.
     
  21. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    But seriously... You might want to study the History of Porn. Once porn magazines became legal in Sweden, the number if rapes decreased. It is called safety valve.

    If childporn can be made safely without the inclusion of children, why shouldn't we let pedophile have this as a safety valve instead of trying to cure them?

    So who would actually suffer? The parents of missing children who got kidnapped by pedophiles because they couldn't live out their fantasies in the cartoon world....

    P.S.: Same goes for cartoon animals.

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  22. Xelios We're setting you adrift idiot Registered Senior Member

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    Don't agree. The internet is not like TV. It's always been a free and open medium, and I sincerely hope it will always stay that way. I have nothing against people restricting what can be accessed from their own machine, even if this restriction is done at an ISP level, but I'd be dead set against this restriction being the default for an internet connection. I don't need a nanny.
    The structure of the internet makes it very difficult to control. For example, if your ISP decided to censor your access to a porn site you could simply route the connection through a proxy and voila, you have access again. More recent solutions like Tor and Freenet make censorship of material all but impossible by encrypting data transfer and setting up completely anonymous "subnets" within the internet where people can share data.

    People have had open access to the internet for decades now, and any move to restrict that access is going to be met with a lot of opposition.

    Another big hurdle is that as soon as ISP's make an active effort to censor material (even if that material is illegal) they lose their common carrier status and become responsible for everything that passes through their pipes. This is a huge can of worms that no ISP wants to open, because common carrier status is the only thing that's kept them from being sued into the ground by conglomerates like the RIAA.
     
  23. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    There are a number of other statistics you tend to neglect though. For instance the Population per Capita, Male to Female Ratio of Swede's, HIV/AID's Statistics, Time of year the study was done (During the winter it's dark for most of the time which is usually used to conceal crimes, however during the summer it's lighter making it more difficult not to be seen.).

    It's hardly a convincing argument that Porn makes everyone law abiding citizens, it's just a Strawman.

    You are talking about people that have psychological problems and allowing their psychosis to progress to potential dangerous episodes. In seriousness these people should be seeking help far before ever getting that far, they could avert ever being a paedophile if they sought help, but most of the time they live in a divergent bubble where they think what they are doing is acceptable when it most definitely is not.

    You really are missing the problems aren't you? These people are predator's and you are willing to dress them up as sheep and stick them in a flock.
     
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