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Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by Stryder, Dec 29, 2001.

  1. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Why a topic on cars??? Well cars produce one of the largest amounts of airpollution known to man, smelly combustion engines that eat up all that lovely oxygen that our blood needs and replaces it with a mixture of carbon dioxide and what was once lead.

    Not so much lead now adays, but there is still unquestionable damage on the respiratory system. It's even known for Asthma suffers to die just from trying to cross the road at a busy junction because of the pollution that the cars create.

    Cars are also lower the amount of oil in the world, even though a car doesn't necessarily need to run on petrol and oil. Petroleum prices are hiked by a monopoly that is controlled, and occasionally they notice the mergence of an immenent collapse in their market.

    Some Economists will spell out gloom if those companies faulter, but thats only because they've got shares in them. (they play on the guilt of people buying to help them out)

    In truth Oil, is something that shouldn't be used excessively, it's like hiking in the mountains with enough rations for 3 days and your 8 days away from the nearest food source.

    There are developments on the horizon for new powersources of perpetual power systems, that only need a kickstart to keep them kicking over, these will eventually be encompassed into electric-car designs that the oil companies would love to veto.

    This is where the new market begins and the old market is going to have to mak way for the ecological factors, and of course the FINES for not cleaning up.
     
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  3. odin Registered Senior Member

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    Petroleum prices are hiked by a monopoly that is controlled, and occasionally they notice the mergence of an immanent collapse in their market.
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    In our case its the Gov,about 3/4 of the price is tax,& they win both ways,as we are part of OPEC.

    Also they say it's a carbon ta, but I see none of that money being used to reduce carbon.

    They say it stops people driving around,but I doubt that.

    Funny thing is,that they found that the oil fields in Kuwait,refilled themselves after Sadam set them alight.
     
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  5. kmguru Staff Member

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    Just like banning abortion does not prevent people getting unwanted pregnancy, improving fuel efficiency or higher price will not reduce car use or pollution.

    What is really needed is to stop using cars. How? A large number of car use is to go to work. If you bring work home via fiber optics, then one does not need to travel to work. For the last 11 years, I could have done 95% of the work at home with remaing 5% elsewhere due to face-to-face meetings.

    California freeway will be less gridlocked if the employers will start allowing their employees to work out of home or computer centers built like 7-11s.

    Just like freeways and roads, the government should build fiberlines to everyhome so that people can have access.
     
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  7. Rick Valued Senior Member

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    Or Do it the real way...

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    make a computer mainframe network...all the countries will have their own mainframes connected to a super mainframe and upload urself to it...we can then have anti-gravity propulsion cars there...fuel never runs out...one never dies...no pollution...end of all enviornmental troubles...end of Doomsday prophesies...

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    and wait let AI run the mainframe,Programmed by millions of people around the world...
    a perfect neural simulated world you may call it...

    bye!

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    Just do not ask /777 to manage all the mainframe... it will be running around in the virtual world with hard(ware) ON ...

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  9. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Okay heres what I've been thinking of recently, and I'm sure it will be a vantage point for you Kmguru since you mentioned Anti-gravity cars and your need to create one that actually works

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    Quite simply, Take the Bullet Train technology from Japan and apply it to Roads. Change the road system to create a Magnetic force when a "Car" runs over the top, then have the Car produce the exact same magnetic pole to produce an Anti-gravity vehicle.

    If you use magnets you form a method for prepulsion and also a better method of BRAKING, using magnetic bumpers to cushion an impact.

    Of course this would mean that the car NO LONGER HAS POWER, as you would now be reliant upon a whole road network that is powered (and the cars obtain their power like a Bumper-car, with a Lightening strip that drags across the magna-track. This also means they are safe to be hit by lightening... in theory lol)

    You could also encompass the very friction of the vehicles momentum across the track to cause a static charge that too can increase it's power generation, so the more traffic that uses it the more power it generates.
     
  10. odin Registered Senior Member

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    Stryderunknown

    Why a topic on cars??? Well cars produce one of the largest amounts of airpollution known to man
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    I disagree,a jet plane just taking off uses more fuel than my car does in a year,they have to measure it in tons its takes so much.
    Try getting them banned!

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    Quite simply, Take the Bullet Train technology from Japan and apply it to Roads.

    No Gov would allow it,not enough Tax.
     
  11. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Odin, I didn't say Ban Cars, I just said they smell, eat up resources, Attribute to road rage, Cause death and dismemberment, cause poverty and ecological retro-degredation and everybody feels the need to have one.

    Just for saying I was trying to ban them, I should tell your to get on your BIKE!

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    (That wasn't meant insensitively, I just couldn't pull that gag off any other way)
     
  12. odin Registered Senior Member

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    Odin, I didn't say Ban Cars, I just said they smell, eat up resources, Attribute to road rage, Cause death and dismemberment, cause poverty and ecological retro-degredation and everybody feels the need to have one.

    So do Jet planes!except everybody does not feel they need to have one.

    Most cars are used to get to work,where as most planes are used to go on holiday.
    Hows yer bike Stryderunknown.

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  13. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Odin

    Do you really feel the need to jump in a jetplane, to go to the shops that you were too lazy to walk too (which are a minute away by foot)

    That's a problem with cars.

    I wonder what Londons going to be like with the new rules of making car owners pay in the Capital, Hopefully it should inprove the air quality... oh yeah.. your going to blame an airport.

    Anyway, since recent developments your whole basis on aeroplanes can't be truly founded as there are now less flights, any you know that if cars wre quicker, then they would be travelling to their destination in one of them.

    My Bike is fine... Apart from the rusting caused by the cars Acid rain effect.
     
  14. odin Registered Senior Member

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    Stryderunknown

    Well as you did not ask my bike is OK as well.

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    by the cars Acid rain effect
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    Also have to remind you of what you said!
    Why a topic on cars??? Well cars produce one of the largest amounts of airpollution known to man
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    I think you are just arguing,as I pointed out that planes use there fuel in tons not gals.
    So one plane uses as much going to the USA as a car would on 50 trips from Lands End to John a Groats or maybe even more.
    Mind you because its up in the air you do not smell it so it does not matter!
    We do not see our Gov saying well planes use so much fuel that they will have to pay LOADS more tax for it here,that would be bad for business.
    But the Acid rain effect falls from the sky so you are seeing that,& attributing it to the cars.

    Now for the truth,I partly agree with you but think we are all being conned by this,they shout about the things that they can tax us on & keep quite about the rest.

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  15. odin Registered Senior Member

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    eat up resources
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    I used to know the Manager of a cracking plant.In the 70s when we had rationing,because the Gov said there was a shortage.
    He said to me that the amount of oil the country uses means there is always an over supply of Petrol (Gas in the USA) which they used to sell for less than cost,abroad to keep the oil flowing,or Britain would stop.
    So cars are only using the by product
    The above is true by the way.
     
  16. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    I have to admit I've been a bit stubborn in our discussion, for that blame Tony1

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    (He started my Stubborn streak)

    I know you probably like cars, your probably a car enthusiast, thats why you argue for them (but thats good, you picked a stance, and it gives me a chance to argue against)

    You mention that one car doing 50 journeys wouldn't create the same polution as one aeroplane, but the problem is there are many more cars than planes worldwide, and it's known that the marketplaces is flooded with them.

    I didn't fully mentioned before but there is an Urban Myth that oil companies have shelved alternative fuel methods, just so they could keep the market monopolised.
    That will soon be broken with or without their shelving, as certain people won't sell.

    Since you keep asking, I'll tell you why I started the subject on Cars... I couldn't think of anything else that could raise any interest, So Cars was put forwards.

    Of course I intend to raise more... Infact I think this thread should really be converted to AUTOMOTIVEs rather than just cars this means planes, buses, trucks, trains, boats and a space shuttle or two.

    Rather than argueing how annoying the taxation is, a fix should be thought of... But what??? Electric-Pogo sticks all round???
     
  17. odin Registered Senior Member

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    blame Tony1

    OK it would be nice if we could find a alternative fuel but until then I can not see much else being any good.
    It would be better if we had a transport system that worked like there was when I was young,you could go to work by bus or train in those days.
    Not much use now,the other day my wife waited for over an hour for a bus,& could not stop shivering for an hour after she got off of it.
     
  18. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    I know this sounds cruel but I did once have the idea that the Public transport sector should be subsidised by the Car drivers, Thus making them travel by the now FREE bus services, or be hit by taxes for funding the buses.

    This would allow bus services to run more often (As the real reason they stopped running so often is the lack of passengers).

    In truth this could also lower the cost of replacing roads, by lowering the numbers in traffic.

    There are also idea of replacing tramways that use to exist, which would be another idea, But again I think that dsuch transport should be free to the pedestrian at the price of the car owner, just to legislate change.
     
  19. odin Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe

    they should be using all that carbon tax they already take to do what you have said.
    Its a good idea,remember they say they take that tax to cut down on the use but ofcouse it does not,so they already have the money,as i said what are they doing with that carbon tax money,to cut down on the carbon.
     
  20. Rick Valued Senior Member

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    water cars:

    water electrolysis-->hydrogen and oxygen-->hydrogen as feul and oxygen as aid in combustion.


    bye!
     
  21. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Did you know that someone called "howard Hughes" had a patent for the Steam Car when petroleum driven ones were getting underway. He use to own RKO, TWA to name a few companies and a bunch of Casino's.

    (I watched a film with Tommy Lee Jones playing Howard Hughes the other daY)

    From what I could make out he went into some weird Obsessive-compulsive about dirt and dust and hid from the world for many years. I spotted that he own RKO at one point and realised that the RADIO and TELEVISION was still in virgin terratory, and that every action a writer made could send the owner into a spin over whether something was a flop or not. (I mean this as a whole bunch of frequency parallels that ebbed and flowed over what was to occur)

    Thre are also questions that were raised about Political backhanders.

    It just shows that someone who got the "Spruce Goose" put together had a design of which we could have been driving around in now. STEAM POWERED!
     
  22. odin Registered Senior Member

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    STEAM POWERED!

    Yes & just think instead of using all the ( Gas/Petrol ) we could also burn Trees & coal in them.

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