Cane and Abel

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Bowser, Feb 21, 2018.

  1. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    It may be that something has been lost in the retelling but as it stands, the story shows God's arbitrary nature. He picked Abel over Cain for no clear reason. Similarly, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9) He saves according to His whim, not because of anything we do.
     
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  3. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    With their hands?
     
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  5. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    I would conclude he saw in Abel what was missing in Cain. The sacrifice might be symbolic in gesture, but simply doing a good deed is not in itself a sacrifice. In a way you're right, Bob; but the story is probably more meaningful than you give it credit.
     
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  7. Vociferous Registered Senior Member

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    Not sure why testing and deeper issues would be mutually exclusive.
     
  8. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm only going by what's actually in the story. You can speculate all you like about why God preferred Abel but the story doesn't say. To speculate that there was no reason is just as valid.
     
  9. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    I think it is biblically clear whywAbel's offering was rejected...

    And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought an offering of the fruit of the ground to the Lord. Abel also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat. And the Lord respected Abel and his offering but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell (Genesis 4:4,5).

    Abel accepted what the Lord had intended as meat...

    Gen 1:29 - And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

    Having dominion over animals, or people does not mean you are entitled to to eat them. Cain was not following God's instruction, wherasw, Abel, was.

    Jan.

     
  10. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    But that's backwards. Cain brought the veggies, Abel brought the meat. If fruit was the only acceptable food, Cain should have been the preferred one.
     
  11. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    My bad, on this oneo It was AbelA be who brought the meat, not Cain.

    It waswdue to the elaborate way Cain had prepared his offeringo thinking that God would accept it on that basis. Whereas Abel was very humble with his preparation.
    You're right though, that is not expressed. My bad.

    Jan.
     
  12. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry about the spelling. My phone seems to add letters, and join words, without my knowledge.

    JanJ
     
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  13. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    A lot of fuss & furor over a myth.

    Of course there are many who view the bible as the word of god rather than a lot of myths. Let them argue over the myths.

    BTW: If forced due some law to choose a religion rather than professing atheism, I would choose the Greek pantheon.
     
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  15. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Cain & Abel each offered something from their work. 1 worked with plants & the other worked with animals. There is no indication that 1 would be good & the other not. God rejecting Cain was abusive.
    If god was so pleased with Abel, why the heck did he allow him to be killed. The whole thing is stupid frigging bullshit, regardless of where the story came from.
    IF somehow we could know the story is true, it would be an example of god's insanity.

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  16. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    The police were called & told a crime was committed at 1210 Emerald Drive. Detectives arrived & began questioning witnesses.

    Hmmm The story does not say detectives arrived at 1210 Emerald Drive so maybe they were questioning witnesses 3 counties away about something unrelated to 1210 Emerald Drive.

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