Cancer cure hypothesis

Discussion in 'The Cesspool' started by Selfexprt.SJ, Apr 16, 2018.

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Can you disprove it?

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  3. It Needs to be tested

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  1. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

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  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Yes and that is consistent with what origin explained to you. The acidity or alkalinity of a substance is a quite different property from its solubility. Sugar (sucrose) is highly soluble in water but a solution of it is close to neutral (pH ~7).

    You don't get a high pH from liquids with little sugar. pH is determined by the concentration of hydrogen ions (H+ or more properly H3O+).
     
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  5. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    While the OP seems to have a garbled idea of cause and effect, there is a respectable and ongoing body of work relating to Otto Warburg's original research on anaerobic cancer cell metabolism, and it's relation to glucose levels and pH of environment:
    https://nutritionaloncology.org/cancerCellMetabolism.html
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783224/
    Just type 'oxygen therapies' into a search bar and follow the hits to see where the OP's 'original thinking' likely sprang from. I'm personally open as to possible efficacy of some of the better conceived implementations, and wary of motivation of most detractors. Cancer industry is big money, and money talks - very loudly.
     
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  7. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Excellent point. It does seem to be the case that cancer cells, being often not well supplied with oxygen, due to the uncontrolled way they grow, use anaerobic metabolic pathways and these require a lot more glucose for an equivalent amount of ATP generated than aerobic pathways would.

    However I didn't spot a particular role for pH in this. Where does pH come into it?
     
  8. Selfexprt.SJ Registered Member

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    Oxygen as we know is transported through red blood cells, but my theory includes the possibility that higher solubility in the tissue, through less polluted water content will allow more oxygen to Be there in place of say alcohol, or syrup mixed in with the water, what that part of the theory is basically is stating we have not proven the body is capable of completely purifying liquids beforehand using them in tissue creation. therefore there is less to no room to add oxygen content to the tissue.

    Besides, all the cancer research I've found is based on gene therapy, and it appears my hypothesis has escaped even so much as a glance, because I found that this hypothesis follows the guidelines of all existing natures of cancer, yet at the same time explores more realistic lines than something to the effect of evolution occurring (or genes being different from 50 years ago) on a DNA level as well advice being a disease which occurred
     
  9. Selfexprt.SJ Registered Member

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    As for my hypothetical assertation mentioned earlier in comments... I ask the audience I'm entertaining here this.

    What do we place into our bodies which allows mixing, absorbing, etc? Liquids. Our osmosis is explained best as a type of absorption. The meat we eat doesn't do that, nor any other solid food. So my friends, is it not the water?

    Furthermore, does our body contain from birth, all cells we discard then replace? What is our body using to make new skin cells during 80+ years? Clearly to me, I'd say we introduce all materials used through what we consume, and I find it likely there is nothing we have from birth that we use throughout our whole lives (specifically to create muscle tissue) and that all things in the human body are replaced either properly or poorly.
     
  10. Selfexprt.SJ Registered Member

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    Our blood was explained to me as a type of plasma, whether this is true, no matter what's it is, we get more of it when we lose it. So, where is This stored fluid which obviously is coming from somewhere?
     
  11. Selfexprt.SJ Registered Member

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    Less mixed liquids creates more solubility, reguardless of the meaning of Ph. Though the role I'm attempting to implicate, is The role acidic environments play toward solubility and oxygen content in tissue, specifically, I believe they will be able to find a direct connection
     
  12. Selfexprt.SJ Registered Member

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    What's next is basically assuming one of you or someone else whom reads it can prove it one way or the other.

    Otherwise, the secondary goal is people searching for cancer cures read it and begin a healthier lifestyle leading to survival

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  13. Selfexprt.SJ Registered Member

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    If it's to help toward putting a test to it, I'll entertain that my relative survived cancer when I told her my theory some months ago.

    Her method was a mainly fruit vegetable fibre diet, and only chicken/ham for meat or so I suggested since she had no better ideas and no other hope she then heard my words, took my information to heart, and I don't know exactly what she ate, but I also suggested 20mins of yoga/day to encourage a healthier breathing practice, and plenty of water opposed to other liquids, and just like my theory suggested she do it, she was cured within 3 months
     
  14. Selfexprt.SJ Registered Member

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    Though, I will not attest this as a one problem solve all cancers cure, because my theory being correct could open the fact that oxygen is not the only thing cells may starve of..
     
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  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No one here wants to be the heavy.

    If you want to study cancer, you might consider at least getting a high school education in biology.

    You're trying to a build rocketship using pipe cleaners and Elmer's glue.
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    What is "less polluted water content?" People with working kidneys as opposed to people without?
    The body does not "completely purify" anything (fortunately.) If it did you'd rapidly die - as you would if you consumed nothing but distilled water.
    Then perhaps acquaint yourself with chemotherapy, immunotherapy, radiation treatment, surgery, hormone therapy and stem cell transplants.
     
  17. Selfexprt.SJ Registered Member

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    I believe you took an extreme stance on what I said, and those are all very interesting, but I believe the exception is not the rule.

    Stem cell therapy is very tricky, but could almost support my theory in a sense as it's replacing damaged tissue.

    Radiation treatment is hit and miss from my knowledge,

    Surgery is really a one size fits all glove because cut it out and replace it is very as mentioned,

    Immunotherapy and hormone therapy seemed to be quite over my head and I didn't know radiation and chemo therapies were different

    I spent time trying to figure the problem rather than researching overly into the attempted cures.
     
  18. Selfexprt.SJ Registered Member

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    Please forgive plain English?
     
  19. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry I did leave you with a lot of reading especially the 2nd article. Major byproduct of glucose metabolism in cancer cells is lactic acid - which builds up in the immediate surrounds to higher levels than for normal cells. A read under 'Warburg Effect and the tumor microenvironment' subheading in 2nd linked article i gave in #23 has something to say on it. Another example is under 'Acidosis of tumor microenvironment' subheading in this article:
    https://www.omicsonline.org/open-ac...reprogramming-2155-9899-1000485.php?aid=85152

    Some therapists emphasize the synergistic roles of higher oxygen levels and higher pH in fighting/controlling/avoiding cancer(s). I'm unsure how sound the theory(s) are - claims and counter-claims abound in that arena.
     
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  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Are you pleading your lack of knowledge is a language issue? It is not.
     
  22. Selfexprt.SJ Registered Member

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    Everyone knows you don't need Elmer glue when you're using pipe cleaners to build a rocket ship

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  23. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

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    You don't even need pipe cleaners

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