Can you answer the most fundamental question about time?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Speakpigeon, Apr 18, 2019.

  1. Capracus Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,266
    If time is nonexistent, then so is existence. Existence as we know it always involves change, and as long as there is change, there is the associated aspect of time.
     
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,692
    No, you tell me why two metre rules are close to the same length (assuming you accept it to be true).
     
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,122
    I don't need to. In our usual view of reality, two different things will have correlated characteristics if there is a common factor for them to be that way. If not space, what? If not time, what?
    Suppose you flip two identical coins at the same time with your left and right hands and consistently get the same results for a good while. That the coins are strictly identical wouldn't explain anything.
    EB
     
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,122
    The two clocks wouldn't stay synchronised if existence is inexistence. I think.
    Well, never mind.
    EB
     
  8. wegs With brave wings, she flies . . . Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,839
    Is time an illusion or is it real? That is my fundamental question about time.

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!



    We seem to be only able to sense time, in the context of the OP, after it has passed. May we discuss that?
     
  9. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,122
    As I see it, we have a notion of time because we have a sense of time. Time as we think of it intuitively is therefore just what we so perceive. As such, we know it exists as we perceive it. Then we have a concept of objective time, essentially what is measured by clocks and, as such, I don't think anyone really knows objective time and whether it exists at all. But you'll find people to claim otherwise aplenty.
    EB
     
    wegs likes this.
  10. river

    Messages:
    12,761
    Both

    Time is an illusion in that it never effects , affects and nor causes anything ( physical objects to move , nor change position .)

    Real only because of time zones of Earth .

    Time does not control any movement , upon any physical thing .
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2019
    wegs likes this.
  11. wegs With brave wings, she flies . . . Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,839
    Is it real, do you think, because we apply a definition to it? Otherwise, what would it really be but an illusion?
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    12,365
    IMO, Time is a mathematical counting mechanism which emerges and records the duration of change. Human are able to apply arbitrary increments of measuring chronological "duration" of change or distance.

    In nature Time must emerge as change cannot happen at the same time in the same place and chronology can only become manifest when separated by spacetime coordinates, creating the emergence of measurement of "chronological duration" (time) in the process.
     
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2019
    wegs likes this.
  13. Marathon-man Registered Member

    Messages:
    33
    The best way to see the passing of time is to look at the stars. What you are looking at is the past by a factor of billions of years. Even though you are seeing them with your naked eye, some of those stars may no longer exist, consumed by a cosmic event billions of years ago.
    When you see these stars, you are looking at them in your present time. Another being living on a planet billions of light years away from earth may see earth when it was just forming.
    Time is measured by distance.
    In Hinduism Lord Shiva once stated, "Behold me for I have become Death the Destroyer of Worlds". However, Lord Krishna once said "Behold me for I have become Time the Destroyer of Death"
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    12,365
    I would equate observation of time as emergent with "beginning, duration, end" of anything wich persists.

    The Higgs boson has no measurement of time. It exists just for an "instant" without chronology of duration?
     
  15. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,122
    Reminder:
    This is the most fundamental question concerning time:
    If time doesn't exist as such, if the only reality of time is to be a mere convention, a convenience to ensure the necessary synchronisation of our activities across society, including the synchronisation of our machines and of our scientific instruments, then how is it at all possible to durably synchronise different clocks, among other things? Assuming a number of clocks are set to read the same as some master clock, and assuming time doesn't exist, why would the clocks stay synchronised at all?
    EB
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    12,365
    It's a mathematical universe. Things happen in orderly patterns.
    https://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae261.cfm
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2019

Share This Page