Cheers Chaos, Yeah It sucks plenty - but I'm so dumb I got straight back on - even with pins and plates intact. Ho-hum. Addiction is a bad thing.. If there is a God, I definately owe him one 'cos I've got both my arms pinned and plated with titanium now.. Some say God is love - but love sucks. I'd rather take my bike and dog, build a nice fire and a roasted chichen and a bottle of bourbon..sorted.