Can our imagination concieve of something that doesn't exist?

Who mentioned God?, My 'very brief definition is "something from nothing" you can explain your definition here.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=2743649#post2743649

 

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In this case the word "create" is meaningless because "something from nothing" is impossible.

 

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If something from nothing is impossible how did the universe and the dimension of space get here.

So your saying the universe has always existed there was never a "Beginning".

 

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Time travel into the past doesn't exist; but you can conceive traveling into the past to a previous era of history, or even of your own life. You could meet a younger copy of yourself, say.

So absolutely it's possible to form concepts for which there is no corresponding physical reality; a child might conceive of being able to fly like Superman too.

But concepts really do exist in a real brain, even the ones that don't correspond to reality. So this suggests that reality is there to inform us which of the concepts we have are the realistic ones, like the concept of say, "motion"

 

I do not know.

No

I just do not know.

 

So do you wish to learn?, because you have the criteria of a student.

 

I am always ready to learn. I have an innate curiosity.

 

do you mean like laser guns and unicorns?

 

Obviously, the biggest problems here are the ever-so-loaded words "existence" and "reality".
Everything we say here depends on how we understand those.

 

That's good, seeking knowledge and truth is a duty for all sentient beings.

Peace.

 

A "laser" Gun is the result of Manipulation and construction of already existing elements and materials.

A Unicorn is a Horse with a Horn on its head, a Mere alteration in the mind of an already Existing Creature.

Creation is not manipulation.

Peace.

 

People need to clarify where they stand on word definitions, many seem to confuse the term creation with manipulation.

Peace.

 

Oh, if only it were so easy to define a word!
Instead, we are often Humpty-Dumpties against our will.

 

Lol, I think we just need to present which 'definition we subscribe to or are using while posting.

I do not use the word creation if it involved 'manipulations' and 'alterations' of pre-existing Elements/Dimensions/Systems. "Creating" something in the definition I adhere to would imply bringing something into existence from nothing.

Manipuation of an already existing entity or substance isn't creation, merely an alteration and adjustment.


PEace.

 

Just out of curiosity, EFOC, why have you moved the goalposts of the thread from mere "conceiving" to "creating"?
You were the first to introduce the term into this thread, and I'm curious as to why?

 

I expained Definitions, are you saying "Concieving" something is not creating something?.

 

There is some overlap, but not in the way you define "create" - which more strictly is "creation from nothing" rather than merely "creation".

While "Create" is from the Latin: CREARE (to create/make/produce etc), "Conceive" is from the Latin: CON (together) and CAPERE (to take)... which in turn leads to the meaning along the lines of combining and developing... not specifically of creation.

With regard the overlap, this is only if you take creation not as meaning "creation from nothing" but in terms of generating a new form of preexisting ideas/matter etc. The new conception, not having previously existed, could be said to have been created... but not from nothing.

So what I consider you to have done is to have identified words that often are used synonymously, but then to use a meaning of the new term that is no longer synonymous with the original.

 

I wasn't suggesting my definition is the end all to definitions, I was explaining the one I was using I think people need to explain the way they mean it because it seems people are using more than 1 definition of the same word.

I refer you to my thread on the definition of the word creation, in the linguistics sub-forum.

 

If you were offering a meaning of the term "conceive" then there would be no issue - but you have swapped "conceive" for "create" and then offered a limiting definition of "create".

To debate whether your definition is an acceptable one within the scope of "create" is a red-herring given that the OP uses the term "conceive".

The idea of "conceiving from nothing" as you would want to use the term (given that you consider "conceive" and "create" to be synonymous) is a linguistic paradox, given that conceive is not "from nothing".

 

No, You cannot "Concieve" a new Colour in your mind, therefore you cannot create anything new only manipulate.