Can artificial intelligences suffer from mental illness?

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    IMO no, there is no evidence of Art being causal rather than a result of pattern forming. Nor is ART able to create mathematics to great degree of sophistication.

    However, Mathematics can do both, create new mathematics and near infinite art forms (patterns), including the universe itself....

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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    "Art is creation of that which evokes an emotional response leading to thoughts of the noblest kind".
     
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  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    A pile of rocks in the corner of a art museum?

    Piles of doggy doo?

    Convince people it's ART it becomes ART

    General public. My guess - pile of rocks - dog doo

    thoughts of the noblest kind - don't think so

    More WTF who are they kidding

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    OK, then everything is sentient.

    Sort of makes the definition useless.
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps "pseudo-sentient "or "proto-sentient" might be more appropriate?

    Don't we usually refer to sensitivity when speaking about non-conscious pseudo sentience?
    IMO, an unconscious person is no longer sentient as normally defined but the body Obviously not.

    I am trying to draw comparisons to Anil Seth's posit that an unconscious person is no longer sentient as normally defined but still has the ability for introspection (internal control mechanisms), the subconscious electro-chemical regulation machine, found in all living things.

    A brain-dead person can be kept alive for years without being "conscious". The body's chemical organization remains sensitive or pseudo-sentient.
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I think non-sentient would be more appropriate, since sentience includes the ability is to experience things subjectively. Ice does not have this ability,
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Does a pile of dog doo evoke an emotional response leading to thoughts of the noblest kind?

    That's the point of the phrase. Only if it the creation evokes a noble emotional response does an artistic endeavor earn the right to be called ART.
     
  11. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Many of the elite in the art world would wax lyrical about doggy doo and how it can invoke in THEM a noble emotional response. I guess because they have been trained

    Joe Blow - it's doggy doo

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  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I see your point, but at what stage does a physical reaction qualify for being a "sensory" reaction?

    Why does a paramecium stop swimming to have sex? They never stop for anything else.
    Is it aware? It's not conscious, it has no brain or neural network. Yet it responds by avoiding obstacles, but not female paramecia, in fact it stops movement allowing it to mate.

    Although I must admit a paramecium is a living organism, so the definition does hold in that respect. Would that suggest that only bio-chemistry holds the secret to sentience.
     
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    Musing: What is mental illness? Is deterioration of the neural network an acceptable diagnosis for reduction in logical thinking?
    If so, then the analogy can be carried to artificial intelligence. When the processing machine experiences oxidation or shorts, it will be unable to function at great efficiency; a new paradigm, "artificial mental illness".........

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    The one advantage of artificial intelligence is that it is able to self-diagnose physical status and recommend "corrective measures" if the physical machinery is damaged.

    Does an AI experience "scanning" as "dreaming"? Just like function of dreaming, an AI is able to find errors and suggest a "cleansing of the mind". Neat trick.
     
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    Mental illness can also be caused by the inability to make sense of information given .

    Because the information comes in to fast .

    And or , thinking upon , on any subject becomes , too focused
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    correct, a different language.
    overwhelmed...overload.
    a single detail is not representative of the whole.
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Depends. Some work with rock that I have seen has been breathtaking.
    Unlikely.
    Well, there is bad art and good art, of course.
     
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    The creation of a TRUE artificial intelligence (intelligence with a soul) is impossible and will never happen, so no, "artificial intelligence" cannot suffer from mental abnormalities.
     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    And the evidence that natural intelligence has a soul is.......?

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  20. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    Memory. The ability to react. Learning. The list continues.
     
  21. Universal Mycelium Registered Member

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    Every time I see the words "will never" I feel bad for whoever said it. What about man will never fly, man will never go to the moon and so many will nevers that are now gone and dead? Maybe it won't happen in Your time, but can happen... Just wait...
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Do animals have souls? Many possess the ability to react, for memory, for learning.
    You mentioned all these conscious abilities by defined names. None of them are named "soul", they are presumed to be qualities of a "soul".

    But, does a slime-mold have a soul?

    A slime-mold (a single-celled communal organism) has ability to react, to learn, and has memory. But it has no defined brain
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/brainless-slime-molds/

    IMO, a slime-mold has a hive-mind with an emergent consciousness. Other remarkable hive-minds can be found in many insect species. Bee-hives are but one example of a collective "purpose driven" organization.

    This is why I believe that before a true conscious intelligence evolves, the organism already possesses the ability to process external and internal information. A form of pseudo-intelligence. Micro-tubules?

    This may be of interest. Conveniently, it cites several examples which might be pertinent to the OP.
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quantum_consciousness
     
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  23. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    I have a dual definition of a soul. One, a collective consciousness similar to what you described.
    Two, a spirit. Spirits can possess other souls, but it is possible to lose ones soul while retaining the collective consciousness.
     

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