Can artificial intelligences suffer from mental illness?

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    My original answer was in context of human choices (FW?)

    As to QM, my layman's view is that in order to produce and sustain a predictable pattern of anything it would have to follow some mathematical (recognizable) function.

    IMO, the *inflationary epoch* is the creative but chaotic event when we are uncertain on how it could have expanded at FTL and why it did not id not violate *existing * laws of the universe and seems to have broken current known laws of *c*, because that was the permissiveness of the original state of chaos, a release of all available energetic potential in a single mega-quantum event , emerging from a state of abstract Potential to physical expression.
    IOW a hierarchy of "ordering" states of expression. This hierarchy of patterns can be described in the abstract in symbolic mathematical language.

    IMO, it would seem possible to me that an occasional mathematical conflict can be creates and the subsequent quantum event will follow the law of *necessity and sufficiency* or *in the direction of greatest satisfaction". But, in the abstract, that still represents a fundamental set of
    orderly and consistent (mathematical) potential of the universe.
     
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  3. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Information is NOT energy.

    Energy has ability to do work

    A book full of information can be burnt to release some of the energy stored within the paper BUT the information printed on the pages will not add any energy to that released.
     
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  5. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I have not heard of the Big Bang as expanding Faster than Light???
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently, the inflationary field expanded at FTl.
    and
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology)

    and
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light
     
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  8. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Can AI suffer mental illness?
    YES. But it would be Artificial mental illness ie they would fake it.

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  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I disagree, if anything is wrong an AI would immediately set of an alarm. Why are we using anti-malware ptograms to protect our computers from mental illness?
     
  10. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    JOKE

    ??? Why would AI immediately set of an alarm. If we are aiming for AI to have the same intelligence as humans there may be dangers with high artificial intelligence since there appears to be a tenuous link between some mental illness and high intelligence in humans.

    During my brief time in mental wards (working as a nurse) I saw patients very much in touch with their condition and yes had sort help.

    At the other end of the spectrum you have patients in lay terms nutty as a sack full of peanuts. As berserk as an over wound up cuckoo clock with no insight into their condition and have been brought to the attention of helpers by a concerned person.

    I see no reason why AI would not mirror such a spectrum of conditions.

    Treatment would depend on the the components within which the AI resides.

    "Why
    are we using anti-malware ptograms to protect our computers from mental illness?"

    We are not. We protect the destruction of the information and the time and energy (work) in assembling such information, not from mental illness.

    Computers in total (comprising all hardware, software and associated equipment) may need protection from theft (not kidnapping), destruction (not death).

    Sigh! All this from a 3 line JOKE

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  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    But one could build a machine that would develop an essentially similar nature over time, in its accumulation of complexity by way of knowledge and experience and various feedbacks within its own processing.

    It's human builders would then have no direct knowledge of how it was programmed, or what it was thinking; it would have become unpredictable, and might even have become unreliable in some ways.

    Way back when, people such as Gregory Bateson outlined what computer embodiment of various human mental illnesses would entail. One of the requirements would be errors in processing context - the computer mistaking not the data or the event but the context which gives it meaning, and making this mistake unreliably in the chaotic sense - occasionally, but neither at random nor predictably.

    Simple example: a voice activated phone dialer that occasionally - not always, unpredictably but not at random - interpreted numbers spoken as part of a conversation as phone numbers, whereupon it would disconnect the conversation in progress and connect the speaker to the new number. That was Bateson's over-simplified example of the approach to building a computer embodying schizophrenia.
     
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  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I believe you may have too narrow a view of the definition of *information*.
    In context of Science all dynamical processes involve an exchange of information (values).
    In that context, I agree.
     
  13. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Ummm

    A bacteria might exchange information to another bacteria (have seen this on video during training) on how to resist a drug but I would not consider this work.

    Nor would I consider energy has been exchanged.

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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    "Work" is the exchange of information.
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/physics/2014/04/is-information-fundamental/
     
  15. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Work - Energy expended.

    Matter - Compressed energy - E = mc2
    Laws that govern matter and energy - Number one - E = mc2

    Information - NOT work - knowledge.

    Passing on knowledge does NOT involve passing on energy.

    Passing on knowledge you are not charging up the other person with energy.

    Small amounts of energy are expended by both parties BUT it is not a passing of energy.
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes and a mathematical result of exchange of values (information).
    That's an equation. Information.
    It's information in symbolic form.
    Inherent value, potential to do work. Physical things don't KNOW they have values, they just perform work in accordance to their inherent information (potential)
    Right, it involves passing on information of the value of the energy, such as wavelengths of light.
    Even in human context I disagree. Passing on of information increases the other person's ability (potential) to perform work related to that information.
    In physics, it is passing of information about the values of the acting agent(s), even if this is in latent form. Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms have different values, but both have the potential (information) to form a water molecule which itself has the potential to be expressed as a gas , a liquid, or a solid.when combined under different conditions.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_potential

    Potential energy is INFORMATION about inherent latent values of all things.
     
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  17. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Passes on the ability (potential) to to use the information for work.

    NOT the energy.

    If he sits on his arse and forgets the info?

    A Mars Bar gives you energy (which the promo material trys to imply you will use the energy for fun activities).

    Having the energy and actually using it two different things.
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Right , that's called having the latent potential to do work in accordance to the information contained in that potential.
    I agree, in the short term, but eventually all energy will be used to do work or dissipate .
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    OK, short answer to all this confusion.
    In Physics, a quantum event is *work done" at quantum level. This is a probabilistic mathematical function.
    The symbols + (addition), - (subtraction), . (multiplication), : (division), are symbolic representation of types
    of work being done.
    x + x = 2. x is an equation showing that in this case the work can be *addition* or *multiplication*.
    Different functions (work), one yielding a sum, the other a product, both equal in value..
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Then why do we use the medical term of a computer being "infected with a computer virus"?
     
  21. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Computer nerds either

    1/ to dumb to think of a new expression (or it might have been media) so they thought "just like a virus".

    2/ thought the common man would not understand anything about computers so they thought "just like a virus".
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Does a computer virus (program) act like a virus?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_virus

    In context of referring to computers as AI systems, then why can we not speak of a self-duplicating AI program which infects its host, as an artificial virus?

    You do know that natural viruses themselves are not considered to be living things.
    note that not all malware qualifies as a virus.
     
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  23. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes the so called definition stuck and has been incorporated as an official definition.

    A real virus DIES. It was ALIVE

    A so called computer virus is DELETED. It was never ALIVE.

    Let me know when you grow a computer virus in a Petri Dish.

    Other examples what I consider sloppy comparisons.

    Remember Clinton deleted emails with bleach?

    Did she buy a $2 bottle of bleach and pour over the server?

    Glad to see "infected" in quotation marks.

    in·fect
    \in-ˈfekt\
    • : to cause (someone or something) to become sick or affected by disease
    • : to cause (someone) to feel an emotion
    • of an emotion : to spread to (otherpeople)
    Full Definition

    • transitive verb
    • 1 : to contaminate with a disease-producing substance or agent (as bacteria)
    • 2 a : to communicate a pathogen or a disease to
      b of a pathogenic organism : to invade (an individual or organ) usually by penetration
      c of a computer virus : to become transmitted and copied to (as a computer)
    • 3 a : contaminate, corrupt <the inflated writing that infects suchstories>
      b : to work upon or seize upon so as to induce sympathy, belief, or support <trying to infect theirsalespeople with their enthusiasm>
    Waah sob sob MW has been corrupted with said sloppy comparisons. 2 c.


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