# Can artificial intelligences suffer from mental illness?

Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by Plazma Inferno!, Aug 2, 2016.

1. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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I would rather put it this way.
An AI might experience an "annoyance" trying to execute an infected command code resulting in an unintended result, which the computer itself knows is no longer compatible with other running programs. The most likely result would be a "crash" and the AI goes into sleep mode, and/or activate it's anti-virus diagnostic system to find the virus and clean it, then "wakes up" and merrily goes on its way to say, deliver the mail house to house.

3. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 69 years oldValued Senior Member

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A lot of crazy people do not know they are crazy
I suspect feed back from crazy parts of I might cause I not to know it is defective

5. ### mmatt9876Registered Senior Member

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That makes more sense. I suppose the AI would have to go into a sleep mode state, as you put it, to fix some types of viruses and other types of processes or problems, such as system and virus definition updates, because it may not be able to process information or function correctly while an anti-virus program is fixing the AI's code or other types of problems.

7. ### mmatt9876Registered Senior Member

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Mental illness can be very confusing for some people, and I imagine future AIs too. One of the hardest parts for people suffering from mental illness is identifying and accepting they have one.

8. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 69 years oldValued Senior Member

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We are all a little crazy, but we mostly get by, it becomes a problem if stops you doing what you want to do or it annoys others

9. ### mmatt9876Registered Senior Member

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Absolutely. Some people can get by with whatever problems they may have in their lives but some people have trouble managing their problems and need help.

10. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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We are able to cheat "natural selection", but then a secondary principle comes into play, the "exponential function" in a limited space (habitat) and individual natural selection (the individual perishes) changes to mass selection (large numbers of individuals perish at once).
It is a mathematical certainty.

11. ### mmatt9876Registered Senior Member

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I am sorry, but could you please explain this in simpler terms for me? I do not understand.

12. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Artificially extending life results in a exponential growth of population. i.e. a 1 % steady growth will result in a doubling time every 70 years. If the world's population continues to grow at 1 %, it will double every 70 years. Current population growth is
Today, 8 billion; in 70 years, 16 billion; another 70 years, 32 billion; another 70 years 64 billion; etc.

In a confined space (the Earth) this will result in overcrowding and increased competition for available habitable space.

The graph illustrates how exponential growth (green) surpasses both linear (red) and cubic (blue) growth.
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/#growthrate

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13. ### RainbowSingularityValued Senior Member

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wakes up, decides to drive up the front paths of houses over children and elderly in its' 3 ton all terain all wheel drive independantly motorised wheel by wheel vehicle driving half way through every front door as it then pushes the mail through a wall...

14. ### RainbowSingularityValued Senior Member

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would it not be easier to simply ban all immigration, cancel refugee laws and stop all charity & Govt funding for working class & other countrys ?
... hang on haven't i heard that somewhere already ?

unless i can get a $3 pizza delivered for free by a drone at a social, Environmental, national & global economic cost of around$40.00
to my front door to make me feel like a blue colar porn star ?

15. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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That would be a choice we'd have to make. If we do not do anything and continue @ 1% steady growth, eventually nature will stabilize the numbers for us, by natural selection.
That's why Professor Albert Bartlett, observed; ""The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." - Prof. Al Bartlett

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16. ### RainbowSingularityValued Senior Member

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china had the 1 child policy
USA has private health care

bill & melinda gates have put forward some intertesting data around the reduction of birth rates by the reduction of infant and maternal death rates.
it would be interesting to see the math applied to that(i think they already have but have simplified it to allow low intellect spacial mental picturing).
the return on investment increases exponentialy the longer the child lives for.
the investment in reducing over all birth/dependants is obviousely factored in as a basic need for resources.

albert is most fascinating. voice like honey & a wit to match

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17. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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It shows that we better get on with development of "renewable" resources without "unintended" consequences.

IMHO, the Sun is still the best potential resource of energy. It is off-world and releases a predictable amount of energy for millions of years to come. All we need to do is find an efficient way of capturing this energy, without interfering with the earth's own need for solar energy.

In relation to the OP, I wonder if an AI would require less energy than a human and if we could develop a skin which allows an AI to capture sufficient energy for it to become self-sufficient and not be dependent on additional energy manufactured by humans.

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18. ### RainbowSingularityValued Senior Member

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the motor systems that drive walking or wheels or fitting welding and other robotic arms and conveyer belts & large mixers currently require comparative VAST amounts of energy though if a building had the entire roof covered in solar panels with some wind, which with excess power used it to crack water into hydrogen to power hydrogen combustion turbines...

who will buy the products when there is no one left employed making money ?
what will all the poor live in since they wont be able to afford renting/housing ?

19. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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A true IA built for serving mankind, will make all this unneccesary. They would work for free withour sorrow or pain.
It would set human society free from the constant pursuit of wealth and social survival resources and would allow for more independence of others..

20. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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But that's a robot.

I am talking about a synthetic human being which operates with great efficiency. Humans only need a few relatively light meals to produce enough energy for it's daily activities. Using the same principles of chemical energy plus solar energy would, IMO , not be a great obstacle.

The trick lies in the fractality of the sensory and sentient (motor) neural sytem. How does the human brain function and we are beginning to understand the function of the trillions of nano-tubulars, each which is already a natural computer.

The entire body of living things is in reality a hive-mind, which is able to make "best guesses" of reality, wheras an AI can be made to do this also, but by advanced artificial sensory instruments (which by definition are also computers).

Does the Whole become more than the Sum of its Parts?

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21. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 69 years oldValued Senior Member

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I've heard this expression often

In the religious environment the "whole" would be considered the soul

To my mind the blob of water with a mix of common elements we have as a body is only MORE than its parts because of it has an ability to co-ordinate the blob / mix (ITS ALIVE) and do extraordinary things. It's the PROCESS of life which is the MORE

A lab with the chemicals in storage can easily re-create the composition of the body but not the life process

If a person happened to die and fall down next to the pile (or perhaps soup) of chemicals they would in essence be the same (although one might have a lab coat as part of the mix)

22. ### RainbowSingularityValued Senior Member

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does the AI experience freedom if it has no ability to move its self and effect change by mechanical means ?
robots dont need to be processors i agree, however, does an AI need to have freedom of movement ?

i agree with the "mind" of an AI being somewhat low in energy use.
it is already possible to have such an AI mind run of solar power.
what it cant run(on that solar power) is the weather control devices needed to maintain the AI mind without corrosion etc.

moving that aside...
next question...
how big is too big for an AI brain ?
once it learns all the internet.. then what ?
will it build a rocket ship and blast its self off into the universe ?
time has no barrier to it if it builds its self a nuclear power plant etc....

23. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Not necessarily, but neither do humans. Hawking was clear witness to that.
We can build stronger and lighter skeletons which are less subsceptible to oxidation than bone skeletons
The entire human body is part of a hive mind, no reason why this could not be simulated to a great extend in a mobile AI.

If its basic program forbids certain actions, the AI will not trespass, unlike actual humans who break the rules in spite of all the moral indoctrination.[/QUOTE]