"Consider mackmack's point that "meaning" is "hidden" in patterns or whatever. Why? Where exactly is it?" actually its not hidden but is encased in some "fuzzy logic" thing. imagine you had a word cat. then you have the fuzziness of that meaning. if you are talking about a visual image, a cat can be black, white, spots, yellow, gold, or a combinations of those colors. the cat can be small, or big, or skinny, etc. The tail can be short or long,etc. The whole difference of a cat is the "fuzziness" (patterns). the word cat is what is fixed and never change(well, it can if we change it) and is something we can identify what the pattern is. This is one of the biggest reasons why i tell people that language is very important to human intelligence. because it brings order to chaos. i agree with wess in that being able to know means the whole package. the human has to be self-awared, self-learning, be able to find meaning to patterns, must have a physical body etc. i also agree with kron in that humans aren't very special in this universe. for example, if this entire universe is one atom in another universe, does this matter? yes because if someone destroys the atom then our uniiverse is gone.