Bush fires

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  1. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Last figures showed half are deliberately lit or suspicious suggesting such. Of the remaining half two thirds stuff that got out of control. Let's focus on the half that are deliberately lite or suspicious.

    What can be done?
    Alex
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Unfortunately, it probably comes down to fixing the problem of bad or absent parenting. Arson is one of those behaviours that indicates a deeply disturbed individual.

    This reminds me of the so-called serial-killer triad. It turns out that most serial killers have a history of arson, bedwetting and hurting animals, prior to going on their killing sprees.
     
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  5. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    The number of fires is such a great concern. Sure the place is dry but fires don't start by themselves. Just so many.
    Alex
     
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  7. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Many fires do start by themselves. A while ago, one in California was apparently set by a fire-fighter craving attention. But there are always some mad/bad individuals who simply want to do harm. More of every day are flipping over. You remember the rat experiment? We are there.
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Right. They need an ignition source. But that could be a lightning strike, a bad catalytic converter, a dented spark arrester - even a decaying mass of leaves and wood.
     
  9. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I think it is reasonably certain that many of the recent fires were started by humans.
    Certainly there are various ways a fire starts but humans are responsible for most.
    The percentage from other causes is small.
    There are just so many fires is the point most all being started by humans, ...we are up to 300 homes gone and at least six people dead and certainly more.

    Most folk are crying climate change which ignores the real problem. Climate change does not start a fire...and in any event if we can expect conditions to get worse should we not be asking what can be done to stop humans starting fires.

    The response that we need to address climate change seems the popular answer for those on that side which ignores the immediate problem.

    It is folly to shrug and say "climate change..what can you do?" And fail to address this growing problem of fires...most all started by humans...folk seem happy to shrug and forget ignition comes from humans.
    Alex
     
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  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Right. It is just one factor. Most fires are started accidentally - by nature (lightning, decay) or non-intentional human cause (i.e. broken catalytic converter.) Those are going to be very difficult to impossible to control. A very small percentage are arson.
    Climate change solutions won't make a difference for decades. So we will have to work on other preventions - like (paradoxically) more controlled burns.
     
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    Cause of Fires

    While Australia is particularly fire-prone, natural fires account for only six percent of known causes of vegetation fires attended by fire services. Over 90 percent are the result of people's actions, and more often than not the result of deliberate ignitions;


    I will link where this came from.

    Alec
     
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    'Known' vegetation fire causes (percent)

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    Source: Combined Australian fire agencies [computer data file]
     
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  16. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I don't believe it...I am in Sydney and there seems to be a fire to my East. I can't get any information but it's starting to get smokey.
    We can rule out raptors, and lightning...
    Alex
     
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  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    probably a 50/50 grey area where camping or cooking fires might look like intentional.
    throwing cigarettes out the car window etc...

    before locals switch to full-auto ...
    the risk of loss to someone trying to put a fire out may be greater than the need to critically interrupt someone possibly trying to start one via carelessness... rocks ... sparks ... double fail that cant be fixed

    remember the fire chief saying spot fires igniting 12km down wind from fire fronts..
    glass bottles in the sun
    rubbish bags with cell phones and batteries in them
    dodgy old leaky battery kids toys...
    rust and chemical cleaners.. etc...

    cars
    car batterys

    highly reflective mirror surfaces and tinder dry fibrous materials (cotton hemp rope packing materials)

    the list of potentials would probably scare the shit out of the average suburban new parent

    example
    light fittings with mirror reflectors
    direct sunlight
    lensing to say e.g packing paper or that super thin decorative warping paper(or saw dust)

    e.g
    renovation/trady/building/commercial rubbish
    saw dust packing paper paper wood
    mirrors, mirror reflector light fittings, glass....


    Hospitality Fast Food

    food waste heating to ignite

    ...


    long enough away from foot traffic
    say a good 2 to 4 hour window and/or people who think its somebody else's problem or spectator effect...

    neighborhood patrols would be the best solution with cameras, so on the off chance they see someone looking out of place they will have evidential support for police should anything happen
    and then its 10 years jail no parole(as long as no one is hurt)
     
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  18. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    the equal statistic of "idiot" seems to be missing
     
  19. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Sure but not many as a percentage of total ignitions.
    This behaviour is not isolated.
    Yes but it does appear there are more than in the past. We have had drought s since I can remember and fires but the current situation simply suggests that there are more fires ... The damage to lives and homes is not insignificant and needs a more than insignificant plan to get on top of the problem.
    Thanks for your input.
    Alex
     
  20. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Which ever way one approaches the figures it is clear that the number of fires started by humans is unacceptable.
    Alex
     
  21. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    It just seems to me folk are not focusing on the problem.
    If there was a terrorist attack resulting in these deaths and damage we would have marshal law etc. And the general response could focus upon the human element one could think rather than coming up with ways a fire can start...and the numbers show it is not natural fires that is the problem.
    I still can't find out about the fire nearby..been too busy strangely..hope it is not a threat.
    Alex
     
  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    you cant solve your own emotional want through forcing others to change the way they think
     
  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    True.
    Alex
     

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