Burning Temperature of Jet Fuel

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  1. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Rosc, it was september that time of year, the temperature was probably in the 30's to 50's maybe even colder, and the ground temperature was even less, there could not have been pools of molten steel because for one thing it wouldve drained into the subway, and two, you conpiracy theorists have told us time and time againt that jetfuel cannot liquify steel. and the steel would have cooled by then, and also, trying to move a solid block of steel that huge would have been neigh impossible without there being serious evidence.
     
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  3. UnDyinGWilL Registered Member

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    dude there was what appeared to be molten steel; idk how much you actuly pay attention. numurous people have said so, from firemen to construction workers..thats even in main stream news articles, and vidieos. and of cource they say that, evryone dose, because its not possible but yet there was what appeared to be so.

    regaurdless of what happened, it should be apperent to evryone the reasons for it happening. Which yes is a corprate and government conspiracy..namely coorprate because most high level officals are from, or have ties to coorporations. hell look at modern legislature...Copenhagen treaty... and helthcare bill...READ ..look into it..the defence contracts...Did you know that we spend more on our military that the next 12 countrys combined...Thats alot..look at the federal reserve; which btw is nothing federal, its a conglomeration of 3 private banks.LOL and we bailed them out when they print the worthless paper, and collect the debt on it????? WHY are the oil companys behind green legistation and copenhagen??????...WHY are the insurance companys behind the health care bill. Why do you have to pay for evryones helth care ...WE have medicare AND medicaid.. WHY if we dont want to have inssurance or pay into it WILL now have to.. and if we dont go with the government plan PAY TWICE!!!.. why dont you guys wake the fuck up???? WHY!!!
     
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  5. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Ooh, don't tell me.
    One more semi-literate conspiracy theorist.
    I don't suppose you have links to any evidence for the *cough* points you're making?
     
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  7. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Conspiracy theorists are just like roaches - they're everywhere. (And the roaches may even be the more intelligent of the two.)

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    Just like our Doreen character who believes that the swine flu virus was either engineered by the drug companies or are using it as an excuse to spread some kind of infection in the word's population through flu vaccine - so that they can sell even MORE drugs.

    I don't even bother talking to these cranks once they show their true colors.
     
  8. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Taxpayers paid for your education. Seems that endeavour was an EPIC FAIL.
     
  9. Montec Registered Senior Member

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    Look up the burning temperatures of aluminum and titanium. Commercial planes are made of these materials. These temperatures will melt steel.

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  10. MacGyver1968 Fixin' Shit that Ain't Broke Valued Senior Member

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    How about you look it up, and present the evidence yourself?

    Someone had a nice big bowl of Frosted Fail-O's this morning. Aluminum in sheets doesn't burn very easily, as it forms an oxidation later. That's why its ground into a power for thermite.

    Please post a picture of this melted steel. I'd like to see it.
     
  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The pressure and compression of the falling building was easily enough to heat steel to melting, set off explosions in trapped air pockets, etc, without any source of fire at all (let alone burning aluminum or jet fuel).
     
  12. roscogre Registered Senior Member

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    This is absolute bullshit.
    The question is which conspiracy theory do you believe?
    Do you believe the government's official conspiracy theory where 19 goatherders suspend the laws of physics and cause the most technologically advanced controlled demolition in history with tiny kerosene fires?
    If so,demilition experts don't need thermite or high explosives any more,
    a simple bic lighter will do.
     
  13. roscogre Registered Senior Member

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    The 911 truthers have mountains of evidence to support their case,while the government's ever-changing versions are completely contrary to physical laws and evedentiary precedent.
     
  14. roscogre Registered Senior Member

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    Right and powdered aluminum or titanium requires a very high ignition temp,much higher than kerosene fires can provide.
     
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  15. roscogre Registered Senior Member

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    There are more than 20 witnesses to pools of molten steel in the basements,including P.Tully head of Tully construction and Mark Loizaeux,of Controlled Demolition Inc.
    But you can also see it pouring out of the towers and in the pile.Do a search on youtube.
    You are on the right track with thermite.
     
  16. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Roscogre:
    If there are Mountains of evidence-- Present it.

    I assure you--- I Can Debunk it.

    You can provide claim after claim, but in the end-- You WANT to believe the government did it.
    That is your motivation.

    So I'll accept the challenge. Present the mountains of evidence.
    And tell me, once I've shown the actuality-- Whether or not you will continue to believe your little CT no matter what.
     
  17. roscogre Registered Senior Member

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    fedr808:what a moronic statement.
    At least your quote suits you:"in one ear out the other"
    Interesting screen name however. fedr? like "federal agent"?
     
  18. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Interesting comment. like Paranoia?
     
  19. roscogre Registered Senior Member

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    Neverfly:
    The mountains of evidence has been presented and you cannot debunk it.
    David Ray Griffin's books present thousands of facts to support demolition,government complicity and coverup.He also has good videos debunking the debunkers.
    Architects and engineers for 911 truth have good presentations.
    But for enlightened morons like you,you should probably start with the videos "911 Mysteries

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    emolitions" and "Loose Change".
    Anyone who can believe the governments ever changing ridiculous stories like Shyam Sunder of NIST gave is an absolute "unenlightened"moron.
     
  20. roscogre Registered Senior Member

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    Neverfly: and the standard accusations of paranoia and ad hominem insults begin.
    It is the last resort of those who are totally,factually wrong and know they cannot argue the facts.
     
  21. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    You have never spoken to me, to the best of my knowledge, prior to this day.

    You have no way of knowing what I can and cannot debunk.

    If you are confident in what you have to present-- Fearlessly present it. Avoiding doing so does not help you plead your case.
    Present these facts.
    So do school fairs.
    Present them if they are so good.
    I have done my time at Loose Change. It isn't a crowd that is unbiased.

    Show the changes and demonstrate how these changes affect your claims.

    It is neither insult nor Ad Hom.

    Paranoia is what you demonstrated, clearly.
    If you find a way to tie "Neverfly" into the fact planes were used in the 9-11 attacks, I will call you paranoid again. Honestly, I may even chuckle as I do.
     
  22. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    It's interesting how so many people that never even heard of Thermite until they read some claim on a woo woo site suddenly think they are experts.

    It's 3am here and I'm going to crash...

    But if you choose to present the "Mountains of Evidence" rather than sniping, I will get a fresh start tomorrow and start debunking.

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  23. shaman_ Registered Senior Member

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    There are numerous idiotic claims. The number of claims is one of the reasons people get sucked in with the 9/11 myth. It also means that any 9/11 discussion is pretty much endless with nothing ever being resolved as the truther just brings up one claim after the next ignoring that each one is being debunked.

    Griffin is a crackpot theologian who churns out books packed with many stupid claims regarding 9/11. Read Ryan Mackey's paper regarding Griffin. He takes it apart.

    Loose change is riddled with errors and misrepresentations of the truth. Anyone wanting the facts should read the Loose Change Guide.

    Oh right because the truth movement never change their story. ....

    Even now in 2010 they are unable to come up with a coherent theory...
     
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